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Either do it for me. These last 2 albums are interesting in comparison to the earlier ska/rock steady sound.


Those like yourself i.e well acquainted both genres need to provide some essential listening once we clear the Marley discography. I'm enjoying the education.

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To Bob Marley's emotionally charged music and lyrics, add the tight riddims and harmonies of the Wailers and then put all of that talent into the ceaselessly creative hands of production wizard Lee "Scratch" Perry. What you get is a 16-track reggae masterpiece capturing what is perhaps some of the best music Bob Marley & the Wailers ever committed to tape. The songs range from beautiful love songs like "Don't Rock the Boat" to cathartic political anthems like "Brain Washing," but even with the broad scope, no tracks miss the mark. They all cut straight to the heart and burn with an urgency rarely felt in music of any genre. So defining are the tracks that Marley himself was to return to the same themes later in his career, reviving such classics as "Lively Up Yourself" on Natty Dread, "Trench Town Rock" on Live!, and "Kaya" on Kaya, among others. While this is a Bob Marley & the Wailers album, Perry's unique production almost steals the show. Perry's bare-bones, heavy sound provides an interesting contrast to the slicker approach taken on Catch a Fire, produced by Bob Marley & the Wailers and Chris Blackwell and also made in 1973. Catch a Fire has an almost rock edge to it, but on African Herbsman, one can hear Perry's swirling mix madness lurking just beneath the surface of each Trench Town-tough track.

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As was mentioned, there's some overlap with the previous two but we'll still go with it.

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Yeah, tons of overlap but glad you are doing this one. There are maybe 4 or so songs that are new here, and a couple of them outright classics heard here in their original forms. Specifically, you get Small Axe, the All in One Medley that mixes in One Love and Simmer Down, and Lively Up Yourself, which were all re-recorded and popularized on later albums. All in all another fine album and you can hear a bit of progression on the new tunes as they get ready to make a major international jump.


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It's between this and Catch a Fire for my favorite Marley album. Two different sounding works released the same year.

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I'm liking Soul Rebels more than this [edit: not by a whole lot]. There's a tipping point between his ska years and the reggae ones where I find the recordings hold a lightness of the ska before he goes too deep into the politi/rasta heaviness. I still like the full transformation; its just the early stuff has got that unpolished rootsiness to it.

TrenchTown Rock sounds much more incredible on LIVE! It just becomes more gospel with improvising. Lively Up Yourself is one of the greats especially the horns. Sort of that in between ska reggae sound I'm talking about.

Here's a set of early recordings I found randomly. Not the choicest songs. One of my own favorites comps got horribly scratched a few years ago and I can't rip it. I'll see if I can find some more.

1965 - The Wailing Wailers at Studio One


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This one kind of slipped by me unnoticed. Possibly due to familiarity, but I don't know. Maybe I just wasn't in the mood or didn't have it turned up loud enough or something.

Hardly a worthwhile judgment, I know, but I'm still hoping for better things, I guess.


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This one kind of slipped by me unnoticed. Possibly due to familiarity, but I don't know. Maybe I just wasn't in the mood or didn't have it turned up loud enough or something.

Hardly a worthwhile judgment, I know, but I'm still hoping for better things, I guess.


Yeah, having heard most of the songs in the previous two days, nothing really leaped out. Excited for Catch a Fire tomorrow.

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Catch a Fire was the major label debut for Bob Marley and the Wailers, and it was an international success upon its release in 1973. Although Bob Marley may have been the main voice, every member of the Wailers made valuable contributions and they were never more united in their vision and sound. All the songs were originals, and the instrumentation was minimalistic in order to bring out the passionate, often politically charged lyrics. Much of the appeal of the album lies in its sincerity and sense of purpose -- these are streetwise yet disarmingly idealistic young men who look around themselves and believe they might help change the world through music. Marley sings about the current state of urban poverty ("Concrete Jungle") and connects the present to past injustices ("Slave Driver"), but he is a not a one-trick pony. He is a versatile songwriter who also excels at singing love songs such as his classic "Stir It Up." Peter Tosh sings the lead vocal on two of his own compositions -- his powerful presence and immense talent hint that he would eventually leave for his own successful solo career. More than anything else, however, this marks the emergence of Bob Marley and the international debut of reggae music. Marley would continue to achieve great critical and commercial success during the 1970s, but Catch a Fire is one of the finest reggae albums ever. This album is essential for any music collection.

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The music on this album was the first from Marley that I was exposed to, sitting in Dallas, GA late at night on WREK, the Georgia Tech student station. I was caught. Brilliant, and perhaps the best of a very good lot.


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Yeah, this is the first thing that was widly available until more recently and is a monster of an album and the thing that introduced much of the world to Bob Marley and reggae in general. This was the breakout and it really is an amazing album. I had it cranked up in the car on the way to work. Hadn't listened to it for a while and damn, thing still hits heavy. Monster of an album and an international superstar is born.


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But damn I hate finishing up listening to this on these crappy laptop speakers while working. This is reggae. I need bass.


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For DJ Drinky, and others, I worked up a comp of the best sound quality and some of my favorites of the early era. I arranged it to show the move from one genre to the other as best I could more defined with the first ten as compared to the last ten tracks.

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Thanks, seafoam. Downloading now.

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Just got around to listening to Soul Rebel all the way through. I love this early stuff more than the more famous stuff, probably because it hasn't been so over exposed. I also dig the ska sound more than his latter sound, and love the Peter Tosh songs.

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For DJ Drinky, and others, I worked up a comp of the best sound quality and some of my favorites of the early era. I arranged it to show the move from one genre to the other as best I could more defined with the first ten as compared to the last ten tracks.

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http://www.mediafire.com/?6i6dvea4tmm93hp


Not to be an ungrateful bastard, but do you have a tracklist for this? And, what's the bitrate? I've got a few things from those early days, but really it always seems like a hodge podge and I have never settled on a favorite comp from that era. I'm curious what you've put together. Maybe you have finally solved my problem.


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Catch A Fire is one of my favorites. I can't imagine the jaw dropping when at '73 the opener to Concrete Jungle first played on ears that had not heard this music before. I've always loved Midnight Ravers and Baby We've Got a Date I suppose because the other songs had been drilled into my brain enough. This will always be one of the albums I'll always go back to.


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seafoam Wrote:
For DJ Drinky, and others, I worked up a comp of the best sound quality and some of my favorites of the early era. I arranged it to show the move from one genre to the other as best I could more defined with the first ten as compared to the last ten tracks.

Code:
http://www.mediafire.com/?6i6dvea4tmm93hp


Not to be an ungrateful bastard, but do you have a tracklist for this? And, what's the bitrate? I've got a few things from those early days, but really it always seems like a hodge podge and I have never settled on a favorite comp from that era. I'm curious what you've put together. Maybe you have finally solved my problem.



Most of them are VBR except 1 or 2 songs at 128. I had an earlier comp that was scratched and lost a good part of it so I scrambled to find the best of what I could with the best recorded sound.



01 I'm gonna put it on
02 what am I supposed to do
03 Let Him Go
04 Who Feels It (Knows It)
05 Maga Dog
06 Dancing Shoes
07 Simmer Down
08 I Am Going Home
09 Love And Affection
10 One Love
11 Soul Shakedown Party
12 Bend Down Low
13 Cheer Up
14 Riding High
15 Stand Alone
16 Mellow Mood
17 Rainbow Country
18 Back Out
19 Try Me
20 Rocking Steady


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Thanks man, appreciate it.


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One of the cool things about this thread is that I think maybe simmering below the surface in the older vs newer Marley debate is the idea (that i've seen before albeit not in this thread) that newer Marley is overexposed. I don't think that is really true though other than the 14-15 or so songs that made it onto Legend. Hopefully we get to some of the later period albums those opinions change and people start to appreciate how great he was in his prime.


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Thanks man, appreciate it.


Totally. Much appreciated.

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I think you have a good point about it really only being a select number of tracks that get over-exposed. I've not gone back and taken a close listen to all these albums for quite a long time myself, preferring to check out other reggae acts or digging into the earlier Wailers stuff more often. Listening to Catch a Fire right away reminded my how damn good these records are from start to finish and how there's virtually no filler. You get maybe a track or two on each that were mega hits and have been overexposed over the years, but you also get a half dozen or more tracks of damn near equal quality that still sound at least somewhat fresh. For me anyway.


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The Wailers' fourth album overall, Burnin', was their second for Island Records, released only six months after its predecessor, Catch a Fire. Given that speed, it's not surprising that several tracks -- "Put It On," "Small Axe," and "Duppy Conqueror" -- are re-recordings of songs dating back a few years. But they fit in seamlessly with the newer material, matching its religious militancy and anthemic style. The confrontational nature of the group's message is apparent immediately in the opening track, "Get Up, Stand Up," as stirring a song as any that emerged from the American Civil Rights movement a decade before. The Wailers are explicit in their call to violence, a complete reversal from their own 1960s "Simmer Down" philosophy. Here, on "Burnin' and Lootin'," they take issue with fellow Jamaican Jimmy Cliff's song of the previous year, "Many Rivers to Cross," asking impatiently, "How many rivers do we have to cross/Before we can talk to the boss?" "I Shot the Sheriff," the album's most celebrated song, which became a number one hit in the hands of Eric Clapton in 1974, claims self-defense, admits consequences ("If I am guilty I will pay"), and emphasizes the isolated nature of the killing ("I didn't shoot no deputy"), but its central image is violent. Such songs illuminated the desperation of poor Jamaican life, but they also looked forward to religious salvation, their themes accentuated by the compelling rhythms and the alternating vocals of the three singers. Bob Marley was a first among equals, of course, and after this album his partners, Peter Tosh and Bunny Wailer, quit the group, which thereafter was renamed Bob Marley and the Wailers. The three bonus tracks on the 2001 reissue are all by Tosh and Wailer, though recorded at the album's sessions, suggesting the source of their frustration.

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Its been a long time since I heard this album in full. Bob's lyrics are truly amazing and he's just beginning. Rita wrote on the Family site that Bob never wrote a bad song and I think I agree.

Title track is just so steeped in realism as if its on the scene. Its a news shot of frustration in the streets. It reminds me when in a Kingston project we got run off while traveling with a local Professor during a geographic study of the island after Hurricane Gilbert. Small Axe gets a well deserved treatment. I always thought it a lesson tale for children. Put It On or Rastaman Chant is Bob the conjurer and I'm converted when he gets spiritual. Duppy is one of my all time favorites and like Small Axe gets a respectful transformation. Pass It On always reminds of this smoke out fest in the movie Countryman, yumminess. Start it at 1:05:





I'll have to mindcheck the fact that Tosh & Bunny left after Burnin when we review the next.


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Yeah, another obvious classic. I think one good aspect of going through the albums and getting into the tracks not so pushed on compilations is to hear things like Burnin' and Lootin' and things that show how rough those edges were that invariable get rounded off and softened in the popular mythology of St. Bob. After these last 2 albums, we're beyond the ska or rocksteady influences of the earlier stuff and past Lee Perry's production defining the sound. This is the reggae era and these guys have pretty much just defined the genre.


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Speaking of all this stuff about defining the reggae sound, here's a good article about Upsetters and Wailers drummer Carlton Barrett, generally credited with developing the one drop sound.

http://thewailersband.blogspot.com/2009 ... ummer.html


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