Nobody cares about steriods in football because nobody cares about records very much. Everyone generally agrees that football players today are genrally 100x better than what was being played in the 60's.

I think most people see baseball golden eras as bygone. So, it's an afront to Mickey Mantle's greatness when McGwire makes 60 homeruns look pedestrian. Anyone who grew up in the 60's would swear that Mantle or Mays were the greatest combinations of speed and power to ever pick up a baseball bat. I don't think any children of the 60's feel the same about the NFL players. Maybe Unitas.

The people who do think football players from the old days are better than today are stupid and should probably be euthanized.

That and the whole "Winningest Pitcher of the 1980s" thing.

and nba. i wonder how george mikan would do against dwight howard.

He would do fine if he was ironing Dwight's shirts or bringing his car up at the Four Seasons. In the paint? Not so much.

He would walk into the locker room and Dwight would have his glasses on the end of his 16" dong, doing "Lil Georgie impressions" - then he'd pin him down and fuck him. For fun.

I don't think Jack MOrris was a HOF pitcher either.

It was said best earlier in the thread...It has become the 'hall of the Very Good'.

i dont agree with it, and I dont lose sleep over it...i just don't pay much attention to it anymore...
except for when Jeter and Mariano get inducted

But why would you revel in Jeets & Rivera being in an 'Hall of Very Good'?

Personally, I think they should do like Notre Dame when the Irish have rejected going to bowl-games that are beneath them. Turn down the Hall, DJ2! Don't dignify mediocrity, Mariano!

I do think Jeter has as good a shot as anyone, though, of getting a unanimous induction. 3.000 hits, 4 rings, the jump-throws, hustle... He's David Eckstein in a black man's body, gritty & naturally talented; the media loves that, totally loves that.

Barring a SERIOUS decline over the next 4-5 years he has left in his career, it'll be more like 3300-3500 hits when all is said and done, plus 5 rings and more if the Yanks can keep it up, along with 3 gold gloves. a roberto clemente award....rookie of the year award...and the 12-15 times he will be an all star.... has nothing to do what the media thinks at that point..the numbers will do their own talking...

don't twist my words....it's the hall of fame...i just think that people are getting voted in that shouldnt be on the same wall as some of these other old timers...
god bless Larkin, and Gary Carter, and Andre Dawson....just keep them out of the same wing of Ruth, Gehrig, Mays, Aaron, etc....

Roughly 3 players from every team in the 30s is in the hall. The current ratio is one player from every team. This is the most exclusive the hall has ever been. I don't get where you are getting this from.

Statistically, Larkin is probably a top 10 all time complete shortstops.

The Hawk is one of three men with 400 homers and 300 sbs. Mays, Bonds, Dawson. That's elite company.

i can't get too upset about hall selections in any sport, really. a lot of these situations are completely grey areas except to obnoxious homers. in most cases, though, i'd be a hard ass and not let these borderline cases in.

Jeter has 5 rings and is a cinch HoF'er for the reasons you mention plus the uniform.

Guy in the office next to me loves the braves, and exclaimed much the same today.

i think Dale Murphy was the first of many aging superstars I was overexcited to have come to Philadelphia. I suppose you could say that Pete Rose was, but I was so young when that happened that I was surprised to find out he used to play for the Reds.

Yeah he had a fork in him and was done-zo by the time he went to Philly. Baseball players used to just completely fall off a cliff production wise--easy to blame PED's for longevity, but there used to not be the level of training, conditioning and nutrition you have now either.

2011 Inductees: Roberto Alomar and Bert Blyleven

Let the Steroid Era snubs begin: Rafael Palmeiro, Mark McGwire, Jeff Bagwell and Juan Gonzalez didn't sniff induction



Fuck 'em. Right Murph!?!?




RIGHT RICK! DRINK MILK! STAY IN SCHOOL!!

Alomar should have been first ballot. I support the candidacy of Larkin, Trammel, and Raines.

My old boss here is a Braves fan, and he goes off every year when Murph doesn't get in. Shit he just brought it up in a meeting not 20 minutes ago.

Sometimes at work I eat lunch at a table with Bert Blyleven. His farts are definitely Hall of Fame material.

It's in an interesting debate about Murph to me. He was really really great for a short period of time. He was better than many HOF'ers ever were. Just didn't do it for long enough. Not sure why we've decided that it's better to be "pretty good" for a long period of time than really great for a short period of time.

Is he as much of an ass as he seems?

the double standard held by hall of fame voters baffles me. great offensive players from just 20+ years ago are penalized because their numbers don't hold up to even recent averages. but current players responsible for those numbers are looked at cautiously because they're judged as guilty before proven innocent.

yeah, his career is strange. he was either great or terrible. his great years are comparable with a lot of guys who are in or should eventually be in the hall of fame. but he's hurt by not having a productive twilight.

I don't really know him well at all. I would describe him as friendly but not as a gentleman.