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I don't usually like sweet beers, but this is my new discovery when a local bar had it on tap:
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It is kind of weird at first because it is quite sweet--has that nectar taste that is really obvious. But they also hopped the hell out of it. The resulting beer makes the hop-head in me oh-so happy, while providing a really smooth drinking experience. It went and knocked me on my ass. Catapulted into being one of my favorite beers.


This years NN isn't as hoppy as last year. Much more sweetness but it's still, easily, the best non-special release beer Troegs makes.


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Geek time. Can one of you explain to me the difference between a Witbier and a Tripel?

Just brew methods?

They seem pretty similar.


I can take a stab at it, but I don't know a shitload.

First it might help to just make sure you clear on the basic process that happens to make any beer:

1. You take barley and maybe wheat or other grains, but primarily barley, and you roast them dry for awhile. It's like coffee - if you don't roast them much they stay blonde and light, but if you roast for a long time you get dark dark brown grain that tastes more like burnt toast. Almost all beers have a mixture of different grains and roasts. More of these make a more complex tasting, fuller flavor beer. Using a lot of rice in the mix makes Bud Light... rice is cheap and it ferments without adding much flavor.

2. So then you take your mixture of grains and hops and you boil it in water at a certain temp for an hour or two. That takes these raw grains and starts to break them down - literally - into starches and sugars that the yeast looooove to eat. If you just threw yeast into a big tub of raw grain and water, not much would happen. This gets the party started. About the hops - if you put them in early, the sweeter, pinecone / green flavors tend to boil off and they taste a lot more bitter. If you dump them in at the last second before you shut the heat off, then they taste like Sierra Nevada IPA... pinecone green floral happyland smell. Most beers do some of both, and crazy hoppy beers will sometimes do a "continual hop" where they add hops throughout the whole burn, slowly and evenly, so you get the whole flavor spectrum.

3. Once the "wort" is cool, like down to 70 degrees or so, you dump in a bunch of yeast who are all riled up and looking to party. They're competing with bacteria in the air, so you stack the odds by getting them woken up first, and by putting a shitload of them in so they overpower any bacteria and take over the scene. Once they start eating those starches and sugars, they multiply and start pooping out 2 things: Carbon dioxide and alcohol.

4. This goes on for a month or two til the yeast are all done eating, fucking, and pooping. Then they crash on the couches at the bottom of the barrel, close the blinds, crank the AC to "SO COLD" and take a long nap. At this point you can filter, bottle, keg, whatever the beer. It's flat, so it needs carbonation somehow, but that's another topic. But it's beer at this point.




Ok so your question... Belgians like Witts and Dubbels and Tripels taste like they do because of a few common tricks the monks do. First the strain of yeast you use has a big impact on the final flavor. Some taste buttery, or lemony, or like bubblegum and bananas. And some are better at eating and fucking and pooping - they're more efficient than other strains. If you use a less efficient yeast, then the alcohol content will be lower, and the beer will taste sweeter. But using really efficient (same kind used to make champaign actually) yeast like the belgians tend to do, you get a stronger beer that tastes less sweet. So that's one trick. Another is adding certain other kinds of sugar to the wort... cheating if you will. They use a lot of beet sugars, and refined candy sugar. And the yeast LOVE that shit - so they gobble it up and poop out lots of booze, but you can't overdo it because the beer starts tasting like rubbing alcohol. Another thing they do is leave the yeast in the beer, instead of filtering it all out. That leaves the beer cloudy, and leaves it tasting a lot more like yeast.

Wittbier is a light colored, sweetish belgian beer that's completely unfiltered, I think. It's only fermented once, it has a modest alcohol content, and goes fucking great with an orange slice. They taste like they do because of lightly roasted malts, the particular yeast and hops they use, and the not filtering thing. That's all I know.

Dubbels and Tripels are fermented twice and three times, respectively. So back up there in the instructions, you've cooked up your barley and hops, cooled it, added yeast, and they're all done and crashed out on the floor of the barrel, snoozing. Then you open the lid and dump in more fuel for them - more barley, or even fruits all cooked and mashed up... anything sugary is probably a-ok with the yeast - they'll take a swing at eating it, and anything they can't eat will survive through to the final beer unless it gets filtered out. So in almost the same volume of liquid, you've got yeast who have been fed two or three times, which makes the alcohol content creep up. Or, the first go-round was with regular beer yeast, and they got it up to 5% and were all done. Then you open it up and dump in special high-efficiency yeast (champaign, Bretanomyces or however you spell it, etc)... these new guys look around and see a table full of sweet delicious scraps that the beer yeast couldn't eat, and they go nuts and get the alcohol up to 9 or 10%. Shit like that. Dubbels and Tripel are usually filtered, I think??? But maybe not always.

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Shit that's a lot longer than I intended. I'm sorry.

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Geek time. Can one of you explain to me the difference between a Witbier and a Tripel?

Just brew methods?

They seem pretty similar.


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Witbier

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A Belgian Style ale that's very pale and cloudy in appearance due to it being unfiltered and the high level of wheat, and sometimes oats, that's used in the mash. Always spiced, generally with coriander, orange peel and other oddball spices or herbs in the back ground. The crispness and slight twang comes from the wheat and the lively level of carbonation. This is one style that many brewers in the US have taken a liking to and have done a very good job of staying to style. Sometimes served with a lemon, but if you truly want to enjoy the untainted subtleties of this style you'll ask for yours without one. Often referred to as "white beers" (witbieren) due to the cloudiness / yeast in suspension.

Average alcohol by volume (abv) range: 4.0-7.0%


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The name "Tripel" actually stems from part of the brewing process, in which brewers use up to three times the amount of malt than a standard Trappist "Simple." Traditionally, Tripels are bright yellow to gold in color, which is a shade or two darker than the average Pilsener. Head should be big, dense and creamy. Aroma and flavor runs along complex, spicy phenolic, powdery yeast, fruity/estery with a sweet finish. Sweetness comes from both the pale malts and the higher alcohol. Bitterness is up there for a beer with such a light body for its strength, but at times is barely perceived amongst the even balance of malts and hops. The lighter body comes from the use of Belgian candy sugar (up to 25% sucrose), which not only lightens the body, but also adds complex alcoholic aromas and flavors. Small amounts of spices are sometimes added as well.

Tripels are actually notoriously alcoholic, yet the best crafted ones hide this character quite evil-like and deceivingly, making them sipping beers.

Average alcohol by volume (abv) range: 8.0-12.0%

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That's a great explanation. Thanks for that.

FemDerris tasted some of that Karmeliet Tripel last night and thought it was great. She told me that while I'm trying stuff out to find her something she'd like as well. Note: she likes Hoegaarden and Blue Moon, but isn't limited to that.

I started looking up stuff on Beer Advocate and things I thought were very similar were listed as Witbier or Tripel. Just wanted to clarify. Basically very similar method and material but with some extras to increase the alcohol content.

I'm thinking, by all reports here, she might also like the Allagash White or the Saison Dupont.


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I was close! Thanks Prom.

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I've been really lucky that we found Green's, a belgian brewery that makes a light, amber, and dark, all gluten-free for the Mrs. She likes good beer too, but the GF choices are fuckall terrible for the most part.

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That was a pretty entertaining read actually.

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Long Trail - Imperial Red Ale
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This was really, surprisingly good. These guys are like New Glarus in WI, where they make solid but not amazing beers, and they're local and small and you just love them because they're yours. Except that sometimes they make these special bombers that really are pretty damned tasty, heartwarming-backstory-or-no. This was outta sight... smooth, full, good booze content. A-


McNeill's - Extra Special Bitter Ale
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'Ol Stinky McNeill got this one right. (I should say, a friend met him once or twice and said his personal hygiene is less than cutting edge, but that he's super nice, and I like both of the beers of his I've had so fuckit.) He's copping a british ESB here, and I was really surprised how good it is, considering I don't get too excited about the real ones. But this was very good, subtle but not boring in that very british way. Good on ya, Stinky. B+


Paulaner - Weis'n
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ie, "weizen," ie wheat. This is a huge can, like Fosters oil can size. And the beer is perfect Octoberfest fare, sandwichy and sweetish but with a dry finish, begging you to have another gallon. Enjoyed this one at a rental cabin in NH 2 weekends ago. B


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So at the rental cabin, people leave stuff in the fridge all the time. There were 3 of these in the door, and my wife was good enough to pack everything, which unfortunately meant she didn't bring a lot of beer. I figured, "it's got alcohol in it, how bad can it be?" Never ask that question, lest ye get an answer. It was fucking awful. AWFUL. Old, flat coke. Just sweet, flat as a fucking board, no discernable flavor besides sugar, ... blech. I got about an inch into the bottle, and was going to like make a game of trying to finish it but honestly couldn't and poured it all out. Z-


Tuckerman's - Pale Ale
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A nice little brewery out of NH. I've had one or two of theirs before and liked them. This one I had here in the Washington Hotel (where none other than Mr Derris once stayed), looking out the back porch at The Presidentials:

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This pale ale was solid, smooth, and perfect for the setting. B


Shipyard - Pugsley's Imperial Porter
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Another one from the rental cabin weekend. I was shocked. Seems like I've had regular Shipyard beer before and it was pretty lowbrau for a "microbrewery." But this fucking porter knocked me out. I got busted talking to the bottle after I took a sip. "Oh you are fucking GOOD aren't you? Yes you are you dirty little tramp." ...Kyle did you just say something to that beer?! "...maybe." I must seek the rest of these out. A-


Fisherman's - Pumpkin Stout
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Another refugee from the rental fridge. I chugged this guy before we left, because, even though it was 11:45 and I was about to ride in a car for 3 hours, I can't leave perfectly good beer behind. This wasn't impressive, and not just because I still had breakast on my breath. It was a so-so boring stout with the faint smell of pumkpin. Meh. C+


Newton's Folly - Draft Cider
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I like cider well enough, and I'd never heard of these guys (and they're in VT), so I checked one out. Too sweet, not interesting. C

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Rick Derris Wrote:
CAP NERD ALERT!

That's a great explanation. Thanks for that.

FemDerris tasted some of that Karmeliet Tripel last night and thought it was great. She told me that while I'm trying stuff out to find her something she'd like as well. Note: she likes Hoegaarden and Blue Moon, but isn't limited to that.

I started looking up stuff on Beer Advocate and things I thought were very similar were listed as Witbier or Tripel. Just wanted to clarify. Basically very similar method and material but with some extras to increase the alcohol content.

I'm thinking, by all reports here, she might also like the Allagash White or the Saison Dupont.


Have you tried St. Bernadus's tripel?

Also, Unibroue's La Fin Du Monde is a great beer and usually pretty inexpensive. Very similar to the Karmeliet.

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Yeah I enjoy basically everything from Unibroue. Quality is top-tier and the prices are good. Oh shit Derris you think she'd like their Ephemere, the belgian with green apples? It's subtle and well done.

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That was a pretty entertaining read actually.


Yeah, it made the process sound FUN!

Derris - Saison is great but I think it's like 7%, so like Two Hearted, you drink 6 of them without realizing it and you have a 10 beer buzz. (You know what that leads to)

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Kingfish Wrote:
Rick Derris Wrote:
CAP NERD ALERT!

That's a great explanation. Thanks for that.

FemDerris tasted some of that Karmeliet Tripel last night and thought it was great. She told me that while I'm trying stuff out to find her something she'd like as well. Note: she likes Hoegaarden and Blue Moon, but isn't limited to that.

I started looking up stuff on Beer Advocate and things I thought were very similar were listed as Witbier or Tripel. Just wanted to clarify. Basically very similar method and material but with some extras to increase the alcohol content.

I'm thinking, by all reports here, she might also like the Allagash White or the Saison Dupont.


Have you tried St. Bernadus's tripel?

Also, Unibroue's La Fin Du Monde is a great beer and usually pretty inexpensive. Very similar to the Karmeliet.


The two I've bolded are TOP NOTCH. Allagash White is a little "spicier" than Hoegaarden or the bad-aftertaste-leaving Blue Moon.

Whenever you two make it back up to Nashville, I hope Yazoo will have released their Spring seasonal, Rye Saison, which is my 2nd favorite of their brews behind Sly Rye Porter (and their Hefeweizen is also tough to beat). According to their Twitter, it will be brewed soon.

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or the bad-aftertaste-leaving Blue Moon.


Second this. Just had a pint at an event the other night, and I was not pleased with it. It's like, sweet and kinda stinky.

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Kingfish Wrote:
Have you tried St. Bernadus's tripel?

Also, Unibroue's La Fin Du Monde is a great beer and usually pretty inexpensive. Very similar to the Karmeliet.


I know you've been on record with "best beer ever" with regards to the St. Bernardus. It's on the list. I've been knocked out by everything I've had from them so far.

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Yeah I enjoy basically everything from Unibroue. Quality is top-tier and the prices are good. Oh shit Derris you think she'd like their Ephemere, the belgian with green apples? It's subtle and well done.


One way to find out. The La Fin Du Monde has been on the to-try list as well. Probably pick it up and that Brooklyn 1 or 2 (the dark ale).

Vic Da Baron LooGAR Wrote:
Derris - Saison is great but I think it's like 7%, so like Two Hearted, you drink 6 of them without realizing it and you have a 10 beer buzz. (You know what that leads to)


Call the guy. Yeah, the Karmeliet last night was 8.4% I think. 1 750ml bottle and I was feeling groovy.

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Whenever you two make it back up to Nashville, I hope Yazoo will have released their Spring seasonal, Rye Saison, which is my 2nd favorite of their brews behind Sly Rye Porter (and their Hefeweizen is also tough to beat).



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Do none of y'all find the aftertaste of Fin Du Monde to be to sweet, and a little to alcohol-y?

Not a huge fan. I think I mentioned in this thread having some Allagashes in NYC - great beer.

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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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Vic Da Baron LooGAR Wrote:
Do none of y'all find the aftertaste of Fin Du Monde to be to sweet, and a little to alcohol-y?


Shit that's why I LIKE them. :D

No seriously I don't think I've ever noticed. Like I said after the belgian fest, I had their samples towards the end when I was barely alive, and I was still really impressed by the canucks.

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Vic Da Baron LooGAR Wrote:
Do none of y'all find the aftertaste of Fin Du Monde to be to sweet, and a little to alcohol-y?


Shit that's why I LIKE them. :D

No seriously I don't think I've ever noticed. Like I said after the belgian fest, I had their samples towards the end when I was barely alive, and I was still really impressed by the canucks.


This might be an example of something that I will never quite get - like Dogfish Head. I haven't one of those I particularly enjoy or feel like revisiting, though beer geeks LURV them.

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harry Wrote:
I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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Oh man, Dogfish Head makes some great shit.

As long as you're straight with 2 Hearted I know our differences are small, and unimportant.

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Vic Da Baron LooGAR Wrote:
Cap'n Squirrgle Wrote:
Vic Da Baron LooGAR Wrote:
Do none of y'all find the aftertaste of Fin Du Monde to be to sweet, and a little to alcohol-y?


Shit that's why I LIKE them. :D

No seriously I don't think I've ever noticed. Like I said after the belgian fest, I had their samples towards the end when I was barely alive, and I was still really impressed by the canucks.


This might be an example of something that I will never quite get - like Dogfish Head. I haven't one of those I particularly enjoy or feel like revisiting, though beer geeks LURV them.


I like Dogfish's 60 minute but otherwise I don't like the other beers I've tried.

2 Hearted is awesome and another one of my favorites. Just can't get it here at all.

If you like Saisons, NOLA has a good one but it's not terribly similar to Dupont.

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i used to think dogfish was just okay too but now they're one of my favorite breweries. they make so many great beers and even some of their weird experiments turn out good.

loog, you should try their poppa skull if you can find it.

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Yeah I enjoy basically everything from Unibroue. Quality is top-tier and the prices are good. Oh shit Derris you think she'd like their Ephemere, the belgian with green apples? It's subtle and well done.


The first beer-tasting dinner at Kickbacks I went to was Unibroue- IIRC, they brought ~16 different brews, including one or two "retired" varieties and a couple unreleased to the public, at least at the time. Beer-wise, I wasn't expecting much (and wasn't wrong about it) since I don't think I've tasted any of their beer yet that made me want to finish the glass. The swill bucket at our table filled up more than once.

Same opinion about Dogfishhead, but more violent. Nasty. All of it.


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Funny. I came here to post and read Toze's comments.

It's rainy, cold, and shitty here tonight so I went with this:

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Unibroue- Trois Pistoles


Swing and a miss. Much like the Gouden Carolus Cuvee I had, way too alcohol-y I guess? Seemed just kind of......I don't know, bitter isn't the word. Regardless, I'll keep an open mind with these guys and still want to try the Fin Du Monde but this is strike one. Didn't like the taste of it at all and only got worse as it warmed.

Not totally the same thing but I could've paid 2 bucks more and got a Maredsous or Corsendonk.

I'm actually a little mad now.


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tentoze Wrote:
Cap'n Squirrgle Wrote:
Yeah I enjoy basically everything from Unibroue. Quality is top-tier and the prices are good. Oh shit Derris you think she'd like their Ephemere, the belgian with green apples? It's subtle and well done.


The first beer-tasting dinner at Kickbacks I went to was Unibroue- IIRC, they brought ~16 different brews, including one or two "retired" varieties and a couple unreleased to the public, at least at the time. Beer-wise, I wasn't expecting much (and wasn't wrong about it) since I don't think I've tasted any of their beer yet that made me want to finish the glass. The swill bucket at our table filled up more than once.

Same opinion about Dogfishhead, but more violent. Nasty. All of it.


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Having a couple Central Waters Mudpuppy Porters tonight, big fan of this beer.

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