Rick Derris Wrote:
Cap'n Squirrgle Wrote:
So the "citrus" you're talking about is also hops. Both flavors are in hops (citrus vs bitter), but that pine / citrus / sweetish / "GREEN" flavor can easily boil off if the hops go in when there's still some cooking left to do. The longer they cook, the more that boils away, and the more you're left with just the bitter flavor, which was there too anyway. And different kinds of hops have more of one or the other flavor. The bitterness is measured as units of alpha acid, if memory serves. So when you want something really bitter, you put in something like Cascade (I think it was) that has like 10.something alphas, instead of Fuggles or Kent or Golding hops or whatever that have like 4 or 5. And you put them in early, so the greeny stuff boils away.
Anywho.
So you're saying they throw in some at the very end and strain before it has a chance to boil away?
I mean, that shit was almost menthol-like.
Yeah, the oils in hops are what boil off. So if it gets cooked for 20 or 30 minutes, that big floral pine cone flavor goes away and it's just bitter - well, as bitter as that variety of hops is, and of course depending on how much you threw in.
Very few beers are truly unfiltered at ALL. Most get all the malt and hops filtered out, and then when they're bottled the yeast is filtered out too. Belgians and other "bottle conditioned" beers leave the yeast in - it settles to the bottom of the bottle in SNOOZE mode, but you can absolutely snag it, save it, and use it to make more beer. In theory, you could open one of those beers, dump in a packet of table sugar, wait about 30 seconds, and it should start going apeshit foaming crazy. Did I tell you about the time in athens, home brewing in Aberdeen apartments on Barnett Shoals Rd (I think that was it?), and I thought I had a "stuck" batch...? There's an air lock on the bucket that lets the gas out (carbon dioxide the yeast poops out while it's in there gettin' it on with the sugary malt water). I never saw any bubbles, like I usually would, and it got to be like 10 days. So I asked someone what to do, they said "dump a fresh packet of yeast in, and a cup of table sugar." I did. Well, the yeast from the first go round had in fact done their job, really quickly I guess before I could even see it. Ever since, they were on the bottom, chillin out. Then Dumby McDumbenstein dumps a fucking cup of rocket fuel in there... suddenly I see it start to foam and bubble, like QUICKLY. "Oh fuck!" and I shut the lid tight on the bucket. Still, the foam comes shooting up out of the 4 tiny-ass holes in the plastic airlock, spraying sticky flat beer allll the fuck over the closet, mostly on the roof of it, then dripping and running down everywhere. The whole goddam closet was covered in it. Ah-Whoops.