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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:57 pm 
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Well, especially when someone's making a career out f it, just sounds silly. I mean, you must really love your day job if you could sit down in an afternoon and make something similarly praised and all that but choose not to.


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 Post subject: Re: James Blake live
PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:58 pm 
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Kingfish, you can't be this dumb. Can you?


Dalen, can you please try to learn a new argument tactic?

James Blake is a skilled musician and seems to be a reasonably skilled producer and composer. I happen to not particularly like any of his music, but I agree with nobody that the whole "anybody could do this" argument has always been flawed.

But if his voice is really so great (not saying it isn't), why does he insist on obscuring it with so many effects which essentially sound like AutoTune? My problem with Blake is with his aesthetic choices. He seems to have ridden in on the back of a number of recent trends, and I've had a really hard time trying to figure out what's supposedly so special about him. I've listened to his three main EPs from last year (Bells Sketch, CMYK, and Klavierwerke) and his album from this year several times each, and I've been listening to them for a good while now. I mean, maybe it'll all click for me one day, but I'm seriously doubting it. I thought that Klavierwerke might have been pointing in a good direction, but his album seems like an unfortunate left turn from that, IMO.


I can walk probably a block in either direction from my house and find 5 skilled musicians. Isn't it all about aesthetic choices?

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 Post subject: Re: James Blake live
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Well, especially when someone's making a career out f it, just sounds silly. I mean, you must really love your day job if you could sit down in an afternoon and make something similarly praised and all that but choose not to.


Dear god...... Dude, it was just hyperbole. I really didn't feel like explaining that because I didn't think it was necessary. I can't play one fucking instrument. So, no, I don't really believe I could make anything that anyone besides my mom would want to hear. If it sounded silly, that was the point.

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I tried to find somebody of that sort that I could like that nobody else did - because everybody would adopt his group, and his group would be _it_; someone weird like Captain Beefheart. It's no different now - people trying to outdo ! each other in extremes. There are people who like X, and there are people who say X are wimps; they like Black Flag.


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 Post subject: Re: James Blake live
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Kingfish, you can't be this dumb. Can you?


Dalen, can you please try to learn a new argument tactic?

James Blake is a skilled musician and seems to be a reasonably skilled producer and composer. I happen to not particularly like any of his music, but I agree with nobody that the whole "anybody could do this" argument has always been flawed.


the "anybody could do this" argument is as dumb as it gets.

piss off Drinky.


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 Post subject: Re: James Blake live
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Dalen Wrote:
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Kingfish, you can't be this dumb. Can you?


Dalen, can you please try to learn a new argument tactic?


piss off Drinky.


I take that as "no".


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 Post subject: Re: James Blake live
PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:17 pm 
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Well, especially when someone's making a career out f it, just sounds silly. I mean, you must really love your day job if you could sit down in an afternoon and make something similarly praised and all that but choose not to.


Dear god...... Dude, it was just hyperbole. I really didn't feel like explaining that because I didn't think it was necessary. I can't play one fucking instrument. So, no, I don't really believe I could make anything that anyone besides my mom would want to hear. If it sounded silly, that was the point.


That's all I was saying. Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: James Blake live
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fucking populist attitude of "I could do that," etc. is what is wrong with this entire country.
Fine if you don't like it. But denying the craft involved is something. The kid can play the shit outta that piano, among other things. And I think he's doing interesting things in the production. It's a creative, interesting hybrid.


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 Post subject: Re: James Blake live
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fuck all of you, what are you talking about?


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 Post subject: Re: James Blake live
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fucking populist attitude of "I could do that," etc. is what is wrong with this entire country.
Fine if you don't like it. But denying the craft involved is something. The kid can play the shit outta that piano, among other things. And I think he's doing interesting things in the production. It's a creative, interesting hybrid.



Jesus Christ, what does populism have to do with anything (is everything now a red state/blue state issue?). As far as "denying the craft," my grandmother can knit some highly skillet yet tacky sweaters. Am I suppose to appreciate her artistry? Give me a fucking break.

Just because you like it, doesn't make it good.

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 Post subject: Re: James Blake live
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fuck all of you, what are you talking about?


Everyone got their panties in a twist because I think James Blake is pretty crappy. Mostly, people haven't really defended Blake but attacked my flawed logic and other shortcomings.

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 Post subject: Re: James Blake live
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Well all you really said was "he sucks", and there's not much real defense against that other than "nuh-uh, he's great" so what do you expect?


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 Post subject: Re: James Blake live
PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:42 pm 
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Well all you really said was "he sucks", and there's not much real defense against that other than "nuh-uh, he's great" so what do you expect?


Not really but okay.

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 Post subject: Re: James Blake live
PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:51 pm 
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So what were you saying?

Anybody could do what he does? Even as hyperbole, what does that mean? It's amateurish? But you said it's really all about aesthetic choices, not ability?

So what were you saying?


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 Post subject: Re: James Blake live
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First, this is boring as fuck. But I'm willing to accept that one man's boring as fuck is another man's intimate/mood/ambient music.

Second, when he sings the high notes, it sounds like the cats who fuck under my house.

Third, it's overly emotional/wrought to the point it sounds completely artificial.

Finally, it sounds like a lot of stuff that I heard at my high school talent show where the arty kids sadly performed their own music and it just sounded like a poorly done knock-off of Don Maclean's Vincent. And I realize this is a cover but I think it's fair to all of the songs I've heard.

Now, when he's not playing live and he's fucking around with the electronics on his recorded music, he obscures all of this in a haze of production that removes what little melody and rhythm that exists in the songs, which makes it completely unlistenable and somehow more boring.

In conclusion, it comes off like someone who can't write songs obscuring that fact in production, which makes it sound even worse. Basically, he sucks.

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 Post subject: Re: James Blake live
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Man, I gotta hear this now.


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 Post subject: Re: James Blake live
PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:27 pm 
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First, this is boring as fuck. But I'm willing to accept that one man's boring as fuck is another man's intimate/mood/ambient music.

Second, when he sings the high notes, it sounds like the cats who fuck under my house.

Third, it's overly emotional/wrought to the point it sounds completely artificial.

Finally, it sounds like a lot of stuff that I heard at my high school talent show where the arty kids sadly performed their own music and it just sounded like a poorly done knock-off of Don Maclean's Vincent. And I realize this is a cover but I think it's fair to all of the songs I've heard.

Now, when he's not playing live and he's fucking around with the electronics on his recorded music, he obscures all of this in a haze of production that removes what little melody and rhythm that exists in the songs, which makes it completely unlistenable and somehow more boring.

In conclusion, it comes off like someone who can't write songs obscuring that fact in production, which makes it sound even worse. Basically, he sucks.


OK, I disagree with you.

While I think it's a little pompous overall, mostly because he's British, I think it's sonically interesting, and emotionally invested, whereas most music tends toward one end of the spectrum or the other. He manages to blend sentimentality with a bit of originality and creativity. I don't mind the way and the extent to which he affects his voice, because I think he's using it as a facet of the composition, not to underscore it as a standalone vocal. Listen to "I Never Learned to Share". His voice is the only constant, while the music morphs to it. That track is fucking rad and adventurous.

My only real criticism, aside from his character, is that the album is homogenous, whereas the style of his EPs is relatively varied. I think he could have shown a bit more of his depth on this record.

OK, now disagree with me.


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 Post subject: Re: James Blake live
PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:31 pm 
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i was part of a bid to put him on here in toronto at an intimate and beautiful space, but he elected to go with a traditional rock pub venue with the express interest (from the horse's mouth) of demand far exceeding space, and create a line-up outside on a main thoroughfare. it sold out in two minutes.

his show here sold out in 3 minutes.

it's interesting you say that about them wanting demand to exceed the space because the people who own the venue he's playing here also own a larger venue and often move shows between the two, but it was made very clear that they would not be moving that particular show.


same story across the board. like i said, sir james' directive.


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 Post subject: Re: James Blake live
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In conclusion, it comes off like someone who can't write songs obscuring that fact in production, which makes it sound even worse.


It's hilarious that Kingfish thinks he has it all figured out. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: James Blake live
PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:19 pm 
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He's like that dumb ass kid in the neighborhood when I was young that tries to sound all smart, but really has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. He would then be pelted with rocks and chased off the block.


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 Post subject: Re: James Blake live
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"I Never Learned How to Share" is mindbogglingly good.

But I don't like 80% of what is posted on here so who cares.

He recorded and looped his voice live so it was interesting to see him doing the "production" as part of the performance.


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 Post subject: Re: James Blake live
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apparently Bjork was there.
Brooklyn Vegan certainly gave good reports....

"James Blake was impeccable live. Wow." - Tyler McCauley
"James Blake concert was beyond words. He's doing something uniquely powerful. Confirmed for me that he is the artist of 2011." - Jakob Dorof
"whoaa that is bjork up in this james blake concert. would take a picture but it wouldnt matter. bitch is wearing a lace veil!" - Andrew

"Oh, hi," said a timid James Blake as he sat down behind his keyboard to make his US debut for a very approving crowd at Music Hall of Williamsburg. Blake, accompanied by a guitarist and drummer, quickly captured the audience with his distinct brand of electronica that wavers between delicate arrangements and venue-shaking bass drops. The set largely consisted of material off of his debut full length, including fan-favorites "The Wilhelm Scream," "I Never Learnt To Share," and his compelling cover of Feist's "Limit To Your Love." The most impressive part of the night, however, was the audience's reaction to the album's two-part epic; "Lindisfarne." The song's silent passages commanded the entire venue to follow suit, literally making it possible to hear a pin drop between Blake's sparse melody lines. After James Blake and his band left the stage, Blake came back on by himself for a much deserved encore, and performed his piano/vocal rendition of Joni Mitchell's "A Case Of You."
This is not the last America will be seeing of James. He's appearing at SXSW this week before returning to Europe for a number of dates in late March and April, and will be back in May for a proper US tour including sold out shows at Bowery Ballroom and Le Poisson Rouge.
The show was opened by the trippy, trancey duo Ford & Lopatin, who were joined on stage by Prefuse 73. Ford & Lopatin will also be at SXSW.


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I thought this thread was about that 'You're Beautiful' guy.

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 Post subject: Re: James Blake live
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"whoaa that is bjork up in this james blake concert. would take a picture but it wouldnt matter. bitch is wearing a lace veil!" - Andrew


Andrew is a douche bag.


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 Post subject: Re: James Blake live
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I thought this thread was about that 'You're Beautiful' guy.


Having given this is preview, I think I'd almost prefer that Blunt guy.

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 Post subject: Re: James Blake live
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He's like that dumb ass kid in the neighborhood when I was young that tries to sound all smart, but really has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. He would then be pelted with rocks and chased off the block.


What the fuck are you talking about?

Are you trying to say I don't know the reasons why I don't like something? Sorry, I didn't just say "worst music ever" or "you're so dumb." I know you really only understand discussion in those terms. It's my opinion on music and I listen to as much of it as anyone. It's not like I'm trying to explain quantum physics and making shit up. Feel free to like the new buzz band of the week all you want.

And anytime you want to chase me anywhere, feel free to try that too.

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