I figure we could have a catch all for this Birf Certiflicape news dump and just keep it going. And failing.

The only way this news would matter to me is if it revealed he was actually like 58 ala a Dominican Baseball Prospect.

NOW SHOW ME THE SCHOOL TRANSCRIPTS!!![/nevergonnawinthisonewithtehdumbies]

I love that there are birth announcements in the local HI papers from it, and yet... (smashes forehead into desk)

This is our local sub-sub-Z-grade Rush wannabe's facebook feed. Look at the replies:

Greg B
Ya gotta love a guy who witholds something for years, fights it in court, creates a distraction and then ends the distraction he created and perpetuated by blaming it on his political opponent. Barack Obama is an arrogant a-hole. Something stinks about all of this.
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Jeff B It's a fake!! That will be the new call to "arms". With all the delay, it's only natural for sceptical analysis..
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Jimmy T There is not State Registrar SEAL and ALL safety Paper (green marked paper) has a watermark that appears with imaged to keep someone from altering the form.
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Lee K Now, now Greg ya`ll know he was gonna lie, aslong as he open and closes his mouth. Put the blame on trump, put the blame on the news on anybody cept me.lol
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Robin r doesn't have weight and length ?
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Malinda BWhere is the official seal state seal?
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My only hope is that this is a ploy to make Trump look better to the wackos of his party and get the nomination. I don't think there is a Democrat alive that would not be happy to face off against Trump in a national election.

I just got into a FB argument with some morons over this (i know, arguing on facebook is like punching a kid in the face).

The birther dopes were like, "I don't think it is unfair to have the President address some reasonable questions". I asked him what those reasonable questions were. The response was "why the refusal to release the BC and disrespect the will of the people? It's not like it is a hard thing to do to release the BC".

I said that the suggestion that he should take time to coddle to a group of people whose claims are unfounded and have been repeatedly deconstructed into rumors and lies was ludicrous. I compared it to some sect of fringe whatevers saying, "Golly Gee, I don't think Obama is a man. HOW COME HE WON'T DROP HIS PANTS AND SHOW US HIS DICK TO VERIFY!? It's not like it is a difficult task to complete!".

People are so fucking stupid. I mean, I know I've said some dumb shit before, but holy hell, this "Obama is the anti-christ", "Obama is trying to be the LAST president of the US", bullshit is so tired.

I've realized why this is the case though. It's started by a bunch of mid-50-60+ year old right wingers who are dealing with their impending mortality and they're scared shitless because they think everything they hold to be true and have for so long is possibly not true and they're deathly afraid of "hell" so they turn into what I like to call "apocalypsaphobics". Then they transfer all that fear to their children, grand-children, and use their money to vomit it all over the media as well.

They WANT it to be the apocalypse of Saint John so they can two things:

1. Affirmation that they're not going to "hell"
2. Entitlement to judge the "sinners" until they take their last earthly breath.

Fuck birthers, fuck politics, and fuck America.

Amen.

Oh yeah, and Fuck Trump for taking the credit for this, as though he's solved one of life's great fucking ministries. Sorry, bro, The fucking (Obner) Cluemaster has solved greater debates in his pot-induced stupor.

Proving the White House's original stance correct, namely that releasing it won't actually satisfy anyone dumb enough to demand it in the first place. Enjoy your hair sandwiches.

What about all the Tea Party Christians who love Ayn Rand. There's some fun irony!

The funniest (saddest? dumbest?) thing is that Barry is basically Bob Dole in 1996.

"His" Healthcare plan? Modeled on the Republican response to Hillarycare.

But, our politics has become so hell bent on one upsmanship and the never-ending newscycle of the twitterverse (I just broke my own fingers for typing that) that the only way to get any attention is to be crazier. It's like rap or professional wrestling or porn. Who wants to hear more about shooting people/bodyslams/1guy-1girl? We want to hear about mowing down people with uzis/see midgets slammed from ladders into tables held up on both ends by models (hookers)/22 black dudes vs. 1 5' blonde's butthole.

So instead of all agreeing that there are problems and they need solving, one side moves the ball constantly so there are no solutions, and then accuses the other side of being pick one: Anti-American/Hating the Troops/Selling Our Grandchildrens' Futures to The Chinese.

I'm ready to tap out.

If this is the politics thread can I also use to to state my disappointment with the Democrats, Obama included? I was thinking the other day, the Republicans all talk big about stripping the people of benefits like welfare and medicare and the rest. Yet, it was under Clinton that welfare got slashed and now we're probably gonna see the Democrats capitulate and slash medicare and/or social security funding. For all the posing as defenders of these programs, just seems odd to me that they always get slashed on a Democrat's watch.

The Democrats don't seem to have the fucking balls to just lay it on the line about the need to raise taxes on the wealthy if we wanna keep entitlements...despite the massive popularity of this position in the general population. Instead, they will likely cave once again and strip the people of benefits rather than engage in a very winnable argument. Yeah, yeah...it's class war. Well, the rich have been winning the class war for decades now while everyone else sits and watches. Slashing upper class axes and handing out subsidies to oil companies is somehow not class war, but when someone other than the rich wants a cut....oh no...that's class warfare! It's about time to push back. The lack of Democrat's initiative to do so at some point starts to look like any big talk they wanna go on about in looking out for the middle or working classes is bullshit.

= the crux of it. And that's based on, what, short election cycles and not having a parliament-type setup where 1 side actually "wins" for like 4 to 6 years, and gets to try some shit out for real?

I posted this to twitter: Ohio is spending $1.4 billion to attract jobs.USA TodayOhio is spending $1.4 bil... http://bit.ly/eDchBC //Wait-John Galt is OH Gov??!

and got a response of "What did you think of the movie?" meaning, someone asking me if I had seen the Atlas Shrugged movie because I was openly mocking Republicans spending $1.4 billion of YOUR MONEY in Ohio to attract jobs.

Ok, really, I'm tapping out.

Ezra Klein might be the smartest columnist in Washington

I pretty much stole my above point from him.



and this pretty much sums it up for me.

Yes.

speaking of Rand, before a movie I went to, there were back to back to back commercials, featuring some shithead OR state senator, telling people to go see Atlas Shrugged...how important it is...blah blah blah. what a fucking farce.

and this

http://tunedin.blogs.time.com/2011/04/2 ... ss-of-you/

I will say that I have rarely seen such a conversation killer as the wife of a fellow environmental economist announcing loudly at a dinner party full of Krugman-wanna-bes and treehuggers that she's just heard of this Rand woman and read some of her stuff and you know she's really got a lot of good ideas!

(Also, who hears of Rand in their 60s? Isn't the whole point to appeal to teenage sociopaths? I mean I have zero beef with a 19 year old libertarian but at some point it's embarrassingly naive, like being a for real communist)

I had one interesting experience with the Rand thing when a girl I know and I were out drinking and somehow it came up and she was totally oblivious to the right wing propaganda about Rand and veers to the left herself in most cases, but she said she had liked Rand growing up in more or less a feminist way because it was actually a book by a woman taken seriously with lead female characters, which are still rarer than they should be. And yes, I know there is a whole segment out there that debates this, but it was the first time it was brought to my attention as I have long just dismissed Rand without caring enough to really look deeply...which I still feel fine with, really. But, I do think it is something to note, that when Atlas Shrugged was written, it really was unique in this sense.

It does tell you how thin on the ground certain kinds of women were in literature at the time that folks like Rand and Heinlein are responsible for actual feminist awakenings in folks of a certain generation, despite having fairly regressive views about women's appropriate roles in society - but at least the characters were fully developed as active participants in the story. Yay?

It's something. I am adamantly against the Rand bullshit...but at the same time, I'd willing to say that if we want equality, women need to be allowed to have just as many bad ideas as men. SO, did Rand have a shit ton of bad ideas? Yep, but at least she stood up and stated them, which was no mean feat for a woman of her era.

I think few people have argued that she wasn't remarkably confident. It's just the whole bad writer/sloppy thinker/hypocrite junkie serial killer worshiping narcissist bit that gets folks.

Understandable. Then again, when you describe her like that, now I suddenly start to think I might have liked hanging out with her.

if you owned a steel plant she probably would have fucked you

Unless it was unionized.

Yeah, the anti-union bullshit is one of my most hated issues with the right. I mean, they want government to stop making laws and getting in the way of things like oh, let's just say corporate mergers...but somehow it's OK for the government to make laws preventing free citizens from banding together to increase their bargaining power?

I had someone say THE EXACT SAME THING about me today. How odd.