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I'm curious how people really intend to use this. It doesn't seem to be a remote storage/backup system if you can only upload, not download. You can already store your music files on your laptop and ipod for portability so what does this add? Streaming to your phone? If that's it, I have no interest. I already have a hard enough time keeping my phone battery charged without inventing new ways to drain it.


It's an evolving portability. I use a computer when I have work to do (e.g., requires Adobe or a spreadsheet). If I'm just screwing around, 90% of the time that's on the phone or iPad. We keep a big iPod in the house as a sort of storage device, along with my external drives, but phones have replaced the iPod. With the evolution of cloud services, I eventually won't have to load in new podcasts or music on my device in the mornings. It's just there. As for battery, I keep phone plugged in at work, and the iPad lasts for a while on its own. At least in theory. We'll see how it actually goes down in practice.

You still may have no interest in this, but I'm interested because my phone/iPad have replaced my computer as entertainment box. I've even come to terms with giving up on physical media, because I can't remember I took a cd out of the box in the closet.


In switching to Android, I've already become accustomed to my podcasts being ready for me in Listen evryday and with 4G, they are an easy get if they arent ready.

Also, I'm only in an actual office one maybe two days a week, otherwise I'm on the road or at the warehouse--Basically it's 2011 and I have a short attention span and a fast phone: let's party.

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it's 2011 and I have a short attention span and a fast phone: let's party.


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If they'd just had a smart phone, Jake and Elwood could have paid those property taxes without leaving Calumet City and avoided a whole heap of trouble. And streamed tunes to boot.

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not to mention set up a myspace/fb page for the band, released music via cdbaby/soundcloud, bought equipment off ebay/craigslist, etc. Heck, they could've read about the new Oldsmobiles months ahead of time even.

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Yeah, I can see what they are hoping for down the road with no physical storage and just keeping everything in the cloud and you can listen from anywhere. But frankly, I find it little more than a novelty until it is further developed. When it is fast enough that the wait times for listening to whatever I want is next to nothing and I can listen at work, in my car, over my home stereo or wherever else I am quickly and easily I'll be interested. Right now, it's too limited to really sound like much if anything of an upgrade over just storing everything on my big ass iPod when I want to listen digitally.

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Yeah, I can see what they are hoping for down the road with no physical storage and just keeping everything in the cloud and you can listen from anywhere. But frankly, I find it little more than a novelty until it is further developed. When it is fast enough that the wait times for listening to whatever I want is next to nothing and I can listen at work, in my car, over my home stereo or wherever else I am quickly and easily I'll be interested. Right now, it's too limited to really sound like much if anything of an upgrade over just storing everything on my big ass iPod when I want to listen digitally.

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Yeah this was kind of what I was getting at. I can see it being the way to go down the road when its pretty much ubiquitous technology and you can just login to your music database in any car radio or stereo. I don't see enough of a benefit to doing it now though. My ipod and laptop serve my needs for portability fine and I'd also worry that once amazon/apple/google have gotten everyone to sign up they'd start charging or jack up prices as having to reupload everything would create high switching costs. If I were an ipad user, maybe i'd think differently but I have no interest in using my phone that way.


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I am also suspicious about what happens when these big companies get in bed with the big record companies and agree they really should be weeding out people who have uploaded "stolen" music.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:19 pm 
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That was my other thought with Apple. With Amazon/Google you are uploading so you have control on content. With Apple's itunes synch, you'd essentially be giving them free access to search your music files. What if it tags stuff that isn't out that a record company is wondering how widespread a release got out? I dunno. I know it sounds like I'm being hard on Apple in this thread, but I just see problems. I'm sure it will be worked out, and I might even use it--but I when I read about these features, it kinda bugged me out.

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I grabbed an iPod basically because they seem to work great for everyone and they seem to have the largest storage capacity by far, but I've pretty well continually been annoyed by iTunes, and mostly by little things built in to try to force you to buy music the way they want you to. It's kind of funny that a company so tied to the model of getting everything as secure and on a single computer and iPod as they can and designing all their gear around that goal is suddenly looking for portability and letting you be free to listen to anything you own anywhere. I guess at least they saw the writing on the wall and knew this was a fight they wouldn't win by resisting. From their history, I still can't say I trust them to deliver on this cloud thing without either intrusive or inconvenient issues for any non-iTunes purchased music.


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little things built in to try to force you to buy music the way they want you to.


I have plenty of issues with Apple and how rigid and sometimes overly dumbed-down there systems are, but this particular thing you're talking about is really super easy to ignore/ get around.

I mean I've never really felt like iTunes doesn't work as well or as easily with music acquired from other sources.


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OK, then tell me how to copy music from my computer at work to my iPod and then put it back with the rest of my music on my home computer. Or, how to rename tracks while I am at work and came across a song named wrong and then let that title stay instead of being changed back when it syncs with my home library. This is all crap built around not wanting to let you transport music from one place to another...unless you've bought it from iTunes in which case you're fine to buy wherever whenever and take with you. I guess there are the usual third party software solutions, but they all have issues of their own. I kind of expect not to have to go outside Apple for decent functionality after I pay their premium prices for something.


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I tend to forget that most people use the syncing feature. I hate and have always hated it, and most of my iTunes preferences are really old and date back to before there was such a thing as iPods anyway. I don't let iTunes rename or organize anything. It's a simple matter of disabling a preference.

It does suck and has always sucked that you can't copy music off of iPods, and for the past several versions you haven't been able to devote any space on them to to use as a simple harddrive for transporting stuff, either. I guess I'm just used to putting things on a thumb drive to take home whenever I download stuff at work.


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The syncing for me is because I have had an iPod crap out and need replacement. Rebuilding the library without syncing was painstaking, especially with some items on one or another computer and some items on multiple computers. My iPod does have space I can park something like a hard drive and then transfer onto my computer and then into iTunes and then onto my iPod, but all that roundabout crap is only necessary because of Apple's software schemes trying to limit such portability.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:31 pm 
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OK, then tell me how to copy music from my computer at work to my iPod and then put it back with the rest of my music on my home computer. Or, how to rename tracks while I am at work and came across a song named wrong and then let that title stay instead of being changed back when it syncs with my home library. This is all crap built around not wanting to let you transport music from one place to another...unless you've bought it from iTunes in which case you're fine to buy wherever whenever and take with you. I guess there are the usual third party software solutions, but they all have issues of their own. I kind of expect not to have to go outside Apple for decent functionality after I pay their premium prices for something.


The easiest way I know is to sync it to your ipod and also copy it to the ipod when you connect it as a drive. then move it from your ipod to your computer at home.


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Yeah, I can do that. I'm just saying I find it annoying that the Apple software forces you into all the workarounds. And it's kinda funny that now they are jumping on the portability bandwagon after years of going in the opposite direction.


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That was my other thought with Apple. With Amazon/Google you are uploading so you have control on content. With Apple's itunes synch, you'd essentially be giving them free access to search your music files. What if it tags stuff that isn't out that a record company is wondering how widespread a release got out? I dunno. I know it sounds like I'm being hard on Apple in this thread, but I just see problems. I'm sure it will be worked out, and I might even use it--but I when I read about these features, it kinda bugged me out.


I haven't read a whole lot on this, but it is my understanding that the assumption is that Apple's licensing deal with the record companies hands over a percentage of the iTunes Match revenues, which would subsidize music that was wasn't paid for. It's not a dollar-for-dollar credit, obviously, but it's a totally different gesture than Google or Amazon have presented.

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i've tried itunes in the cloud - lets me re-download for free anything i've already purchased

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Yail Bloor Wrote:
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I'm curious how people really intend to use this. It doesn't seem to be a remote storage/backup system if you can only upload, not download. You can already store your music files on your laptop and ipod for portability so what does this add? Streaming to your phone? If that's it, I have no interest. I already have a hard enough time keeping my phone battery charged without inventing new ways to drain it.


It's an evolving portability. I use a computer when I have work to do (e.g., requires Adobe or a spreadsheet). If I'm just screwing around, 90% of the time that's on the phone or iPad. We keep a big iPod in the house as a sort of storage device, along with my external drives, but phones have replaced the iPod. With the evolution of cloud services, I eventually won't have to load in new podcasts or music on my device in the mornings. It's just there. As for battery, I keep phone plugged in at work, and the iPad lasts for a while on its own. At least in theory. We'll see how it actually goes down in practice.

You still may have no interest in this, but I'm interested because my phone/iPad have replaced my computer as entertainment box. I've even come to terms with giving up on physical media, because I can't remember I took a cd out of the box in the closet.


where do you get your podcasts and how do you get them on your android device?

In switching to Android, I've already become accustomed to my podcasts being ready for me in Listen evryday and with 4G, they are an easy get if they arent ready.

Also, I'm only in an actual office one maybe two days a week, otherwise I'm on the road or at the warehouse--Basically it's 2011 and I have a short attention span and a fast phone: let's party.



where do you get your podcasts and how do you get them on your android device?


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billy g Wrote:
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Yeah, I can see what they are hoping for down the road with no physical storage and just keeping everything in the cloud and you can listen from anywhere. But frankly, I find it little more than a novelty until it is further developed. When it is fast enough that the wait times for listening to whatever I want is next to nothing and I can listen at work, in my car, over my home stereo or wherever else I am quickly and easily I'll be interested. Right now, it's too limited to really sound like much if anything of an upgrade over just storing everything on my big ass iPod when I want to listen digitally.

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Yeah this was kind of what I was getting at. I can see it being the way to go down the road when its pretty much ubiquitous technology and you can just login to your music database in any car radio or stereo. I don't see enough of a benefit to doing it now though. My ipod and laptop serve my needs for portability fine and I'd also worry that once amazon/apple/google have gotten everyone to sign up they'd start charging or jack up prices as having to reupload everything would create high switching costs. If I were an ipad user, maybe i'd think differently but I have no interest in using my phone that way.


guys, just make it a backup solution. keep multiple copies of all of your tunes locally, but update your online music service of choice, so it's there in the event you are somewhere with access to a computer, and you want to hear that specific song or album. it's a good "extra".

btw, i have a 4G android device, and it's FAST. there's no stream quality issue. the real issue is data allotment. if you stream constantly you'll get throttled (at least on t-mobile). sucks.


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Yeah, I can see what they are hoping for down the road with no physical storage and just keeping everything in the cloud and you can listen from anywhere. But frankly, I find it little more than a novelty until it is further developed. When it is fast enough that the wait times for listening to whatever I want is next to nothing and I can listen at work, in my car, over my home stereo or wherever else I am quickly and easily I'll be interested. Right now, it's too limited to really sound like much if anything of an upgrade over just storing everything on my big ass iPod when I want to listen digitally.

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Yeah this was kind of what I was getting at. I can see it being the way to go down the road when its pretty much ubiquitous technology and you can just login to your music database in any car radio or stereo. I don't see enough of a benefit to doing it now though. My ipod and laptop serve my needs for portability fine and I'd also worry that once amazon/apple/google have gotten everyone to sign up they'd start charging or jack up prices as having to reupload everything would create high switching costs. If I were an ipad user, maybe i'd think differently but I have no
interest in using my phone that way.


I can play amazon/audiogalaxy through the bluetooth in my car, but I can see your point if you don't have that capability.

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Yeah, I can see what they are hoping for down the road with no physical storage and just keeping everything in the cloud and you can listen from anywhere. But frankly, I find it little more than a novelty until it is further developed. When it is fast enough that the wait times for listening to whatever I want is next to nothing and I can listen at work, in my car, over my home stereo or wherever else I am quickly and easily I'll be interested. Right now, it's too limited to really sound like much if anything of an upgrade over just storing everything on my big ass iPod when I want to listen digitally.

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Yeah this was kind of what I was getting at. I can see it being the way to go down the road when its pretty much ubiquitous technology and you can just login to your music database in any car radio or stereo. I don't see enough of a benefit to doing it now though. My ipod and laptop serve my needs for portability fine and I'd also worry that once amazon/apple/google have gotten everyone to sign up they'd start charging or jack up prices as having to reupload everything would create high switching costs. If I were an ipad user, maybe i'd think differently but I have no interest in using my phone that way.


guys, just make it a backup solution. keep multiple copies of all of your tunes locally, but update your online music service of choice, so it's there in the event you are somewhere with access to a computer, and you want to hear that specific song or album. it's a good "extra".



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I've listened to numerous things that I uploaded in the last couple of days with zero problems.

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Yeah, I can see what they are hoping for down the road with no physical storage and just keeping everything in the cloud and you can listen from anywhere. But frankly, I find it little more than a novelty until it is further developed. When it is fast enough that the wait times for listening to whatever I want is next to nothing and I can listen at work, in my car, over my home stereo or wherever else I am quickly and easily I'll be interested. Right now, it's too limited to really sound like much if anything of an upgrade over just storing everything on my big ass iPod when I want to listen digitally.

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Yeah this was kind of what I was getting at. I can see it being the way to go down the road when its pretty much ubiquitous technology and you can just login to your music database in any car radio or stereo. I don't see enough of a benefit to doing it now though. My ipod and laptop serve my needs for portability fine and I'd also worry that once amazon/apple/google have gotten everyone to sign up they'd start charging or jack up prices as having to reupload everything would create high switching costs. If I were an ipad user, maybe i'd think differently but I have no interest in using my phone that way.


guys, just make it a backup solution. keep multiple copies of all of your tunes locally, but update your online music service of choice, so it's there in the event you are somewhere with access to a computer, and you want to hear that specific song or album. it's a good "extra".



this. :cheers:

streaming Ride right now!


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Hey Saint, what ap do you use for Last FM scrobbling?

I've been using Simple Last Fm Scrobbler. It was working fine when I was using Winamp but it doesnt seem to recognize Music as a music player and is only scrobbling sporadically.

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Hey Saint, what ap do you use for Last FM scrobbling?

I've been using Simple Last Fm Scrobbler. It was working fine when I was using Winamp but it doesnt seem to recognize Music as a music player and is only scrobbling sporadically.


works like a charm, yail!

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