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 Post subject: Re: Politics 2011
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:09 pm 
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I was just thinking about Huntsman this morning. He's seems far too likable and reasonable to be a real candidate. So I'm certain that he's got an extreme 10 year boy sex addiction in the closet.

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 Post subject: Re: Politics 2011
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If Huntsman spent say, $20 or 30 million getting the absolute best people (both inside and outside of politics) to establish his credentials followed by a blitzkrieg of fundraising would he be the most viable Independent candidate for 2012 with a pretty good shot at, if nothing else, throwing the election into disarray?

Because strictly as an (I) I find him to be roughly 97% more electable than say Michael Bloomberg. (who despite my failed prediction that Obama would not be elected, I feel confident in saying will NEVER be elected. Never.)

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 Post subject: Re: Politics 2011
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If Huntsman spent say, $20 or 30 million getting the absolute best people (both inside and outside of politics) to establish his credentials followed by a blitzkrieg of fundraising would he be the most viable Independent candidate for 2012 with a pretty good shot at, if nothing else, throwing the election into disarray?

Because strictly as an (I) I find him to be roughly 97% more electable than say Michael Bloomberg. (who despite my failed prediction that Obama would not be elected, I feel confident in saying will NEVER be elected. Never.)


Agree w/ all of that Bloor. Huntsman seems like a whole different animal than previous independent/republican candidates. At this point in time, he seems less maverick-y and less wacky. But the election period is young and there's plenty of time for soul-selling, pandering, and outright stupidity.

Alarmingly, he does bear a slight resemblance to Colin Cowherd though.

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He's the 2012 model of 100 other failed candidates. I hate to say it, but he is a classic Beltway pundit class creation - seemingly centrist and sane candidate that has no real backing - except a smart few who think he'll be the standard bearer in 2016 (an de facto bet that the dreaded Kenyan-Commie-Socialist-America-hating-Muslim-from-IndoPakistan will be re-elected by a cadre of fellow travelers, welfare cheats, and illegal aliens who are voted in alphabetical order...oh and corpses)

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Vic Da Baron LooGAR Wrote:
He's the 2012 model of 100 other failed candidates. I hate to say it, but he is a classic Beltway pundit class creation - seemingly centrist and sane candidate that has no real backing


I don't doubt this or disagree with you AT ALL, I was merely posing a hypothetical. You know I love to ruminate on guys like that.

Back in the real world, I've still got Barry narrowly beating Mitt. Anybody else?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:41 pm 
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Yail Bloor Wrote:
Vic Da Baron LooGAR Wrote:
He's the 2012 model of 100 other failed candidates. I hate to say it, but he is a classic Beltway pundit class creation - seemingly centrist and sane candidate that has no real backing


I don't doubt this or disagree with you AT ALL, I was merely posing a hypothetical. You know I love to ruminate on guys like that.

Back in the real world, I've still got Barry narrowly beating Mitt. Anybody else?


Alls I know is between Huntsman, Romney and Perry, the Republican party has never fielded better heads of hair.

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Yail Bloor Wrote:
Vic Da Baron LooGAR Wrote:
He's the 2012 model of 100 other failed candidates. I hate to say it, but he is a classic Beltway pundit class creation - seemingly centrist and sane candidate that has no real backing


I don't doubt this or disagree with you AT ALL, I was merely posing a hypothetical. You know I love to ruminate on guys like that.

Back in the real world, I've still got Barry narrowly beating Mitt. Anybody else?


Alls I know is between Huntsman, Romney and Perry, the Republican party has never fielded better heads of hair.


They are amazing.

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 Post subject: Re: Politics 2011
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:43 pm 
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Yail Bloor Wrote:
Vic Da Baron LooGAR Wrote:
He's the 2012 model of 100 other failed candidates. I hate to say it, but he is a classic Beltway pundit class creation - seemingly centrist and sane candidate that has no real backing


I don't doubt this or disagree with you AT ALL, I was merely posing a hypothetical. You know I love to ruminate on guys like that.

Back in the real world, I've still got Barry narrowly beating Mitt. Anybody else?


Considering we both form our beliefs via mainstream publications through Beltway insider pundits, with a smidgen of screed based rage that yearns for "normalcy" - he's a natural for people like us.

It also underscores a fundamental and underestimated facet of The Disillusionment of Barry -- to wit: so many people wanted to believe that partisan rancor could be done away with a swipe of the hand ala Obi Wan. And since it turned out that Barry had neither original ideas, nor a spine, nor supporters prepared for a long slog against people who would give no quarter, we had 2010.

But yeah, I think you have to take Barry as the (slight) favorite right now - but I think both sides are less than even money right now. It probably depends on the economy, and however many voters can get disenfranchised in places like FL, OH, WI, WA, PA and whatever other failing states filled with people promised the world and shocked to find that not only does the emperor not have any fucking clothes, but that there's not even a fucking emperor in the first place, are qualified as battlegrounds.

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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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 Post subject: Re: Politics 2011
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Vic Da Baron LooGAR Wrote:

I think you have to take Barry as the (slight) favorite right now.


Now I'm worried...

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 Post subject: Re: Politics 2011
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harry Wrote:
Vic Da Baron LooGAR Wrote:

I think you have to take Barry as the (slight) favorite right now.


Now I'm worried...


yeah, i was going to say. I appreciate and respect the baron/senator, but he was wrong about every horse race in '08.

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 Post subject: Re: Politics 2011
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:18 pm 
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harry Wrote:
Vic Da Baron LooGAR Wrote:

I think you have to take Barry as the (slight) favorite right now.


Now I'm worried...


yeah, i was going to say. I appreciate and respect the baron/senator, but he was wrong about every horse race in '08.


Let's get our Electoral College counts and compare numbers. It's not a cake walk by any means.

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harry Wrote:
I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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 Post subject: Re: Politics 2011
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Back in the real world, I've still got Barry narrowly beating Mitt. Anybody else?

I am looking forward to the Muslim vs. Mormon matchup myself.


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 Post subject: Re: Politics 2011
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Warren Buffett suggests term limits if there is a Federal deficit. IMO, term limits are a doubled-edge sword for a multitude of reasons. Theoretically, I support term limits simply to counteract the endless re-election cycle that has poisoned our political process. Realistically, I don't think it would work.

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"No member of Congress shall be eligible for re-election at any time in which there is a federal budget deficit."


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 Post subject: Re: Politics 2011
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santorums got more of a guy smiley look, imo

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 Post subject: Re: Politics 2011
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santorums got more of a guy smiley look, imo


yeah, romney's rocking more of a young heston there

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so this debt ceiling thing is some real bullshit

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 Post subject: Re: Politics 2011
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so this debt ceiling thing is some real bullshit


sure is - Gergen Op-Ed: http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/07/11/g ... google_cnn


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011 ... ss&src=igw
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Mr. Obama said he would not consider a short-term, stop-gap solution to raise the debt ceiling. “This is the United States of America. We don’t manage our affairs in three-month increments.”


sure we do.


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Saddam Hussein was responsibile for 9-11.
High taxes and government spending is responsible for the economic crisis.

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So many more years before Obama...its sad

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sure we do.


I think Barry has f-ed himself here. No one is going to budge and he's going to have to take the short term solution or risk default.

I love that Cantor has become the hard liner now after raising the debt ceiling by TRILLIONS over the years all the while NOT cutting spending.

It'd be funny if it weren't so fucking horrifying.


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fighting irishman lawrence o'donnell has an interesting take

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Tom Colburn (R - OK) proposes a $9 trillion deficit cut

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let the bush tax cuts expire, cut a few programs. wipe hands, move on.

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