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What people forget about Black Sabbath—and it's understandable given their demonic imagery and All Hallow's Eve vibe—was that it was one of the most God-driven, puritanical, wet-blanket rock bands in history. Its "mankind is evil and must repent for its wicked ways" thesis would influence almost all the future bards of the metallic arts. On their second and supremely heavy album Paranoid, there are laments on the destruction of war and the hypocrisy of politicians ("Electric Funeral" and "War Pigs"), the perils of technology ("Iron Man"), the perils of drug abuse ("Hand of Doom"), and the perils of mythical creatures and their choice of footwear ("Fairies Wear Boots"). On "Hand of Doom," Geezer Butler's subatomic bass, Ozzy Osbourne's tortured bullfrog yelp, Bill Ward's smack-you-in-the-face drums, and Tony Iommi's fuzz guitar lead mesh seamlessly into something so unholy and beautiful that it would take lesser bands years of back-to-the-drawing-board grunt work to achieve such badassed symmetry.


I'm not gonna cheap out on a review, but after the first of 4 spins of Paranoid today it's not hard to disagree. This is some fucking heavy & frankly gloomy stuff. Of course, I've heard the main 'hits' plenty of times, but they're still pretty visceral.

'War Pigs' - This song is a crazy Frankenstein monster lumbering around the city preaching the End of Times. And he really loves speaking in similes & methaphors. BOOM.

'Paranoid' - This was the only Sabbath song I've heard for the longest time, on the Dazed & Confused soundtrack. I vaguely recall playing this at a party one night over and over back in the '90s. Fortunately for me, the entire party consisted of people in my hometown who were basically characters in that aforementioned movie and I was simply bumping April Wine off the queue when I played this song. I always think of that party when I hear 'Paranoid'.

'Planet Caravan' - An incredibly surprising detour in sound. I would very much like to hear this on a mix and very soon.

'Iron Man' - Jesus, this song. Bigger than life and twice as loud. There's something about this music that tends to press almost every sense out of consciousness, like it's all that can occupy the present consciousness when its on. Like you know when you're on a cell phone and driving a car and you think you're fully in control but meanwhile science has demonstrated that you can't do both well. 'Iron Man' is a cell phone eating up the mind's eye.

'Electric Funeral' - I don't know if I need to hear this again. Ozzy's gloom is overwhelming me at this point.

'Hand of Doom' - Within the first minute it became fairly apparent that this is like ground zero of the loud/soft dynamics of 90s grunge and scrunge. The last thing I thought of after hearing this is Alice in Chains owes their entire career to this song. I'd frankly sooner hear this.

'Rat Salad' - Pretty standard 70s workout here. I was actually expect Jim Dandy to start wailing rather than Ozzy at one point.

'Fairies Wear Boots' - This was pretty fucking good. Great closer.

Once again, like Black Sabbath it's pretty hard for me to dislike Paranoid. Also at 42 min a pop for both records, they're in that magic zone where it's over before you can sick of it (although 'Electric Funeral' pushed the envelope for me). In fact if I got out in front of this band and started ragging on them I'd be a hypocritical asshole because I'm on record loving plenty of worse bands. And honestly the reason I've never really listened to a Black Sabbath album is because no one I hung around with listened to them, I didn't have a brother or an uncle who played them (I have a cousin who loved them but he lived 700 miles away so I made do with KISS and Cheap Trick) and after awhile this kind of culture has enveloped them (call it metal if you want) and I've always tended to eschew different cultures and communities. Maybe not a good reason, but it's the truth. Same reason I never heard 99% of Pink Floyd's discography before 2006. I guess I figured I'd get around to it eventually when I felt like it. Anyway, some personal thoughts in there, I'm enjoying these records thus far.

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 Post subject: Re: Just like Cream! but worse: DumpJack Meets Black Sabbath
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'Electric Funeral' - I don't know if I need to hear this again. Ozzy's gloom is overwhelming me at this point.


Funny, this is the track I like best...Iommi's guitar never sounded nastier.

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'Electric Funeral' - I don't know if I need to hear this again. Ozzy's gloom is overwhelming me at this point.


Funny, this is the track I like best...Iommi's guitar never sounded nastier.


I don't dislike the music, it's the lyrics that just started to get to me. Radiation isn't all bad, guys.

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I haven't heard either of the first two Sabbath albums in at least 20 years but man, War Pigs is the fucking jam.

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I haven't heard either of the first two Sabbath albums in at least 20 years but man, War Pigs is the fucking jam.

How ya feel about the Faith No More?

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 Post subject: Re: Just like Cream! but worse: DumpJack Meets Black Sabbath
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Black Sabbath

1. "Black Sabbath" - Nice statement of purpose. Hey, it sounds like Black Sabbath! Love the ominous vibe, how it takes its time to build, etc.

2. "The Wizard" - Definitely heavy blues like everyone has said, reminds me of several other bands from this time, like Zeppelin, obviously.

3. "Behind the Wall of Sleep" - This again is pretty Zeppelin-y, but it does have that very slow deliberate riff. It's like I can imagine that if I were hearing these three songs for the first time and they were all the Sabbath I'd ever heard, I'd already be able to tell that this is something a little different, a little grittier, darker, and sludgier.

4. "Wicked World" - A lot of same stuff applies, but something about this one feels a little more Hendrix-y.

5. "Sleeping Village" - I get a little bored with this one, honestly, as I do with some of Zep's more drawn-out early blues numbers.

6. "Evil Woman" - This is my first time hearing this. Really different! I don't get any of the complaints with Ozzy's voice on any of the album tracks before this one, but here he sounds sort of out of his element. Like sort of weak and garbled. I don't know, I'm used to hearing this album without this song, and I could definitely do without it. It doesn't fit, especially not stuck here at the end.

Summary - I'm probably going to have to revise my opinion on this one. Hopefully this isn't my favorite Black Sabbath album as it really isn't all that impressive. I like it, but it's certainly something I could live without. 7.5/10


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Paranoid

1. "War Pigs" - OK, here we go. That guitar tone sounds just right. As cool an opener as "Black Sabbath" is for their debut, this bests it in every way. Ozzy and Iommi in particular sound way, way better. I guess the rhythm section was always really strong.

2. "Paranoid" - What can you say about this. It's just about perfect. OK, I guess I don't really want to pay too much attention to the lyrics. Everything else is just razor sharp, honed to perfection.

3. "Planet Caravan" - I actually heard Pantera's version of this before I ever heard the original. I still remember the video for it. They're really flexing muscles here, showing that they aren't some one-dimensional gimmick band. Really cool song, even as over-familiar with it as I am.

4. "Iron Man" - This one, too. I mean I've heard it so many times that it's hard to really hear it anymore, but I know it's nothing less than awesome.

5. "Electric Funeral" - This is where the album kind of takes a dip. The verses are pretty silly, and that boogie breakdown doesn't really do it for me. Almost feels like a holdover from the first album.

6. "Hand of Doom" - This one, on other hand, does it right. It sounds sinister by keeping things spare, and then when it picks up it really rocks. And it's just a better riff. This is probably their most "metal" song so far.

7. "Rat Salad" - Cool little instrumental interlude. For basically a chance to showcase the drummer a little, it's better than "Moby Dick". Hopefully they didn't stretch it out to half an hour when they played it live.

8. "Fairies Wear Boots" - Oh god, those riffs. This song is riff city. So good.

Summary: I've had this album for so long and heard it so many times that I kind of forget how good it actually is. Probably their best, yeah. 9/10


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I haven't heard either of the first two Sabbath albums in at least 20 years but man, War Pigs is the fucking jam.

How ya feel about the Faith No More?


I think their version kicks all kinds of ass.

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I think the song and album Paranoid are pretty much Sabbath's peak and nothing else comes all that close. This album does kick some serious ass though.


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Paranoid

1. "War Pigs" - OK, here we go. That guitar tone sounds just right. As cool an opener as "Black Sabbath" is for their debut, this bests it in every way. Ozzy and Iommi in particular sound way, way better. I guess the rhythm section was always really strong.


I can't hear the opening of this song any more without immediately expecting Ludacris to kick in...thanks a lot, Girl Talk!

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Paranoid

1. "War Pigs" - OK, here we go. That guitar tone sounds just right. As cool an opener as "Black Sabbath" is for their debut, this bests it in every way. Ozzy and Iommi in particular sound way, way better. I guess the rhythm section was always really strong.


I can't hear the opening of this song any more without immediately expecting Ludacris to kick in...thanks a lot, Girl Talk!



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Fuck Girl Talk.


it's such ear candy - i know it's bad for me and all, but i just can't help myself every now and then

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'Electric Funeral' - I don't know if I need to hear this again. Ozzy's gloom is overwhelming me at this point.


Funny, this is the track I like best...Iommi's guitar never sounded nastier.


Same here. Has always been on of my favorites on this album

I've always liked how Hand of Doom begins to groove at the 2:06 mark

The drum solo in Rat Salad has always ruined that track for me, but then Fairies Wear Boots comes on, full groove, and I forget all about the prior song.


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With Paranoid, Black Sabbath perfected the formula for their lumbering heavy metal. On its follow-up, Master of Reality, the group merely repeated the formula, setting the stage for a career of recycling the same sounds and riffs. But on Master of Reality Sabbath still were fresh and had a seemingly endless supply of crushingly heavy riffs to bludgeon their audiences into sweet, willing oblivion. If the album is a showcase for anyone, it is Tony Iommi, who keeps the album afloat with a series of slow, loud riffs, the best of which -- "Sweet Leaf" and "Children of the Grave" among them -- rank among his finest playing. Taken in tandem with the more consistent Paranoid, Master of Reality forms the core of Sabbath's canon. There are a few stray necessary tracks scattered throughout the group's other early-'70s albums, but Master of Reality is the last time they delivered a consistent album and its influence can be heard throughout the generations of heavy metal bands that followed.


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Master of Reality is the third album by heavy metal band Black Sabbath, released in 1971 (see 1971 in music). On this album, guitarist Tony Iommi began de-tuning his guitar down three semi-tones (or one and a half steps, or C♯) to reduce tension in the strings, making it easier to play with his injured fingers. This led to a lower, sludgier sound that became the Master of Reality trademark. The lyrical themes include: drugs, solitude, war and theology. "After Forever" is credited lyrically to Iommi (the only Sabbath lyrics solely credited to him thus far) and is heavily Christian-themed. On original US pressings of the album, several songs had subtitles given to segments, making it appear that there were more songs on the album than there actually were: the coda of "Children of the Grave" was given the title "The Haunting," the intro to "Lord of This World" was titled "Step Up," and the intro to "Into the Void" called "Deathmask." (Subtitles were also provided to several songs on the US releases of the first two Black Sabbath albums.) Also, the album's title was incorrectly listed as "Masters of Reality" on the labels of original Warner Bros. (green-label) US pressings. Subsequent pressings corrected the album's title on the label, and removed the three subtitles. This album is cited as an influence by many Stoner Metal and Sludge Metal artists. In the UK the album reached #5. Initial pressings came in an embossed 'envelope sleeve', which contained a poster of the band and the generic Vertigo inner bag, although for this album the 'swirl' was white-on-black, rather than black-on-white. This was the first Black Sabbath sleeve on which the lyrics were reproduced, being on the rear of the sleeve. On the Billboard Pop Albums chart, Master of Reality peaked at #8. In 2003, the album was ranked number 298 on Rolling Stone magazine's list of the 500 greatest albums of all time.. It was the third and final Black Sabbath album to be produced by Rodger Bain. Many of the songs would be played on the The Reunion Tour (more than on the tour contemporary to the


I always thought Lester Bangs (based on the quote I used for the thread) didn't like Sabbath but here's his review from 1971:

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The second-generation rock audience (that is, those who went steady to "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" and got serious with Highway 62 Revisited) suffer mightily wrestling with the phenomenon represented by Grank Funk and Black Sabbath. If nothing else, though, both Funk and Sabbath are for all their monotony at least supremely consistent — as opposed to schtick collectors with no personal vision like Deep Purple. And since when is monotony so taboo in rock & roll, anyway? Rock has been — some of the best of it too in large part monotonous from the beginning, hypnotically so, as rightwingers would say. As far apart as they are, Black Sabbath is only slightly more monotonous than James Taylor or Joni Mitchell, and any Stooges or MC5 fan who disdains Black Sabbath is just bigoted.

The thing is that, like all the best rock & rollers since the Pleistocene era, Black Sabbath (and Grand Funk) have a vision that informs their music with unity and direction and makes their simple structures more than they might seem. Grand Funk's vision is one of universal brotherhood (as when they have spoken of taking their millions to the White House with a list of demands), but Black Sabbath's, until Master of Reality anyway, has concentrated relentlessly on the self-immolating underside of all the beatific Let's Get Together platitudes of the counter culture.

Their first album found them still locked lyrically into the initial Spiritualist-Satanic hype and was filled out mostly with jamming, while Paranoid reflected that theme only, in the great line in "War Pigs": "Generals gathered in their masses Just like witches at black masses." The rest of the album dealt mostly with social anomie in general, from the title track's picture of total disjuncture (rendered with authentic power too) to "Iron Man's" picture of an unloved Golem in a hostile world, the stark picture of ultimate needle-freak breakdown painted in the philippic "Hand of Doom," and finally the unique "Fairies Wear Boots": "I went walkin' late last night Suddenly I got a fright/I looked in the window, was surprised what I saw/Fairies in boots dancin' with the broads!"

Not all of this, incidentally, was rendered in La Brea sinks of lugubrious bass blasts — several of the songs had high wailing solos and interesting changes of tempo, and "Paranoid" really moved. If you took the trouble to listen to the album all the way through.

Master of Reality both extends and modifies the trends on Paranoid. It has fewer songs, if you discount the two short instrumental interludes, but it is not that the songs are longer than the first record — the album is shorter. The sound, with a couple of exceptions, has evolved little if at all. The thick, plodding, almost arrhythmic steel wool curtains of sound the group is celebrated and reviled for only appear in their classical state of excruciating slowness on two tracks, "Sweet Leaf" and "Lord of This World," and both break into driving jams that are well worth the wait. Which itself is no problem once you stop thinking about how bored you are and just let it filter down your innards like a good bottle of Romilar. Rock & roll has always been noise, and Black Sabbath have boiled that noise to its resinous essence. Did you expect bones to be anything else but rigid?

The rest of the songs, while not exactly lilting, have all the drive and frenzy you could wish for in this day and age. Thematically the group has mellowed a bit, and although the morbidity still shines rankly in almost every song, the group seems to have taken its popularity and position seriously enough to begin offering some answers to the dark cul-de-sacs of Paranoid. "Sweet Leaf," for instance, shows that Black Sabbath have the balls to write a song celebrating grass this late date, and the double entendre, if you can even call it that, is much less tortuous than it would have been in 1966, with an added touch of salvation from grosser potions: "My life was empty forever on a down/Until you took me, showed me around ... Straight people don't know what you're about..."

Unfortunately, the religious virus also rears its zealot head, in "After Forever," which is a great Yardbirds-type arrangement nevertheless and despite its drubbing us over the head with "God is the only way to love" it does have the great line "Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope?"

And besides, isn't all this Christian folderol just the flip side of the Luciferian creed they commenced with and look back on balefully in "Lord of This World"? And for those of us, like me, who prefer the secular side of Black Sabbath, there's "Solitude," a ballad as lovely as any out of England in the last year (with flute yet), and "Children of the Grave": with "Revolution in their minds the children start to march Against the world they have to live in Oh! The hate that's in their hearts They're tired of being pushed around and told just what to do. They'll fight the world until they've won and love comes flowing through."

I'm not saying that either that or the arrangement it's set in is the new "My Generation," but it is a rocking, churning addition to the long line of defiant, self-affirmative and certainly a little defensive songs that goes right back to the earliest whap and wail of rock 'n' roll. It's naive, simplistic, repetitive, absolute doggerel — but in the tradition. Chuck Berry sang in more repressed times. "Don't bother us, leave us 'lone/Anyway we almost grown." The Who stuttered "hope I die before I get old," but the MC5 wanted to "Kick Out the Jams" or at least escape on a "Starship," and Black Sabbath have picked up the addled, quasi-politicized desperation of growing up in these times exactly where they left off: "Freedom fighters sent out to the sun Escape from brainwashed minds and pollution/Leave the earth to all its sin and hate/Find another world where freedom waits."

The question now is not whether we can accept lines as obvious and juvenile as that from a rock & roll record. They should be as palatable to anyone with a memory as the stereotypic two-and three-chord structures of the songs. The only criterion is excitement, and Black Sabbath's got it. The real question is whether Black Sabbath can grow and evolve, as a band like the MC5 has, so that there is a bit more variation in their sound from album to album. And that's a question this group hasn't answered yet.


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Paranoid

1. "War Pigs" - OK, here we go. That guitar tone sounds just right. As cool an opener as "Black Sabbath" is for their debut, this bests it in every way. Ozzy and Iommi in particular sound way, way better. I guess the rhythm section was always really strong.


I can't hear the opening of this song any more without immediately expecting Ludacris to kick in...thanks a lot, Girl Talk!




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You guys should definitely do Grand Funk next. They're shitty and worthless enough to meet your specifications.


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You guys should definitely do Grand Funk next. They're shitty and worthless enough to meet your specifications.


Been there, done that.

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You guys should definitely do Grand Funk next. They're shitty and worthless enough to meet your specifications.


I don't think I've heard Grand Funk either. Same with Deep Purple and Bad Company. I'll get to them eventually.

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You guys should definitely do Grand Funk next. They're shitty and worthless enough to meet your specifications.


you guys, imagine being this unhappy in your daily life. fuck.


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While I've connected with the first two albums much more than I expected too, this was full-on enjoyment. I played this literally all day when I wasn't otherwise engaged at work, which worked out to about 5 or 6 plays. I've decided as well that 34 minutes is the length that most artists should shoot for. And I don't think I've heard these songs before in any context, so it was a dark office at 645am when this experiment began. Anyway, a few thoughts.

Sweet Leaf - It's weird to hear them sing for 5 min about pot. Great song, but I see that No. 4 has a track called 'Snowblind'. That makes much more sense. Also, "Rhymin' & Stealin'"!

Embryo - Nice little throwaway.

After Forever - This feels surprisingly modern. And frankly at this point it's not hard to see why kids connected with this. First songs about pot and in this one Ozzy the soothsayer is talking about God and the end of days. Not hard to figure out.

Children Of The Grave - So this is where Kyuss/Queens of the Stone Age came from, eh? Jesus christ. The vaguely hippie lyrics are kind of surprising in contrast with the music or maybe it isn't, it is laden with negative affect. This is clearly Death Valley '69 kind of hippie.

Orchid - I like these little interludes.

Lord of the World - Sabbath has the I-snatched-your-soul track down cold and Ozzy's voice is perfect for it. It's very cold. It's not angry, either which does lend it self to sounding evil. I know he's technically not a great singer, but I've always dug the qualitative feel of it. Anyway, I'm down with it. This also feels kin to 'When the Levee Breaks'.

Solitude - I kind of like it when they step out of their groove a bit and throw out a change-up.

Into the Void - Also, this is probably debatable, almost certainly debatable, but I don't get how this is 'metal'. I can see it being proto-metal where kids heard this and twisted it up and did up there own new genre. It's fucking heavy as hell but it doesn't quite connect to what I conjure up as 'metal'. Anyway, this was my favourite song on the record and maybe that's why I give it the highest marks. Leaving on a high note and proving the recency effects again so after I'm ready for another spin of the album.

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we should do ac/dc next.

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 Post subject: Re: Just like Cream! but worse: DumpJack Meets Black Sabbath
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we should do ac/dc next.


That's on the list for sure.

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