Me too.

The dude needs to shut up and go away:


But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father who is hidden. And your Father who sees from the hidden place will reward you. Matthew 6:6. International Standard Version

Anyone who thinks that praying to God is going to make someone better (winners) at the expense of others (losers) is completely missing the point of religion and being subservient to a supreme being. They are clearly exemplifying a typical fanatical-nut-job to the rest of the rational thinking planet.

Harry, I disagree. That scripture is reference to Jesus instructing the 12/other listeners on the mount on how to pray and have a relationship with God (among other lessons). Tebow is using his talent to evangelize, which is different. People are hearing him talk about praying, Jesus, God, etc. and even emulating prayer (even if mocking). His prayers to God are in private, and his relationship is between him and God. However, when he is out on the field he wants people to know that he wouldn't be in that position if God hadn't placed him there. The thing about Tebow is, he is giving praise in both his glory and his defeat.

There was a great editorial recently that talked about how Tebow isn't even the most vocal Christian on the field. Let's face it, Tebow's story is incredible. Talking heads are picking this up, and running with it. Don't blame Tebow for saying what he's saying. He's been given the spotlight and is speaking something that is important to him. Wouldn't you do the same if given the platform?

Timmy, are you saying that in response to Harry, commentators, or commenting on Tebow. I'm confused.

Unbelievable. I did a double take while getting dressed this morning while half listening to Sportscenter. I turned that game off when they went up 12 with 5+ to go.

Complete bed shitting. Coaching, Defense, Special Teams. Honestly can't lay that one on Romo for once.

My annoyance with the Tebow situation is mostly due to facebook and old acquaintances who are claiming that God is "working through Tebow" to affect these games because "there's no other explanation". Tebow himself has been great in how he's handled the situation (from what i can tell, i haven't watched a lot of post-game news conferences).

The part about God having a vested interest in Broncos games does bug the hell out of me. i.e. - "Hey guy i used to go to high school with, maybe god should give tebow a break and work through a scientist trying to cure cancer for a few months"

Also, where is Thrillhouse? I figured he'd be the first to come here and talk about the kind of season Aaron Rodgers is having?

/sarcasm

Yes, and no. Luke 8:9-14"

9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.11The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men--robbers, evildoers, adulterers--or even like this tax collector.12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'13"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'14"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.

In general the box store, SUV evangelical Christianity which has grown in the last 30 years into a political force has been all about grandstanding ("witnessing") and cultural reproduction of hegemonic majority ("leadinading an exemplary purpose-driven life"). What would Jesus do? Run a SuperBowl commercial with religio-politico message? Hardly. This is a late 20th century movement that has relationship to other fundamentalist revivals that had adapted to modern consumerist techno-reality (the Islamofacists using internet etc.). Tebowing in the endzone is American Evagelicalban behavior. Following Christ is learning humility, letting go of ego.... where was I? said Christ. I was hungry and you fed me, I was homeless and you helped find a place to live, I was naked and you gave me your fucking cloak. That's the Christ I know, not "have a Blessed Day commericalized exclusionary 'faith.' "

I'm commenting on nothing in particular. I just get annoyed when athletes thank God for their success, which is inherently at the expense of someone else. (Making the sign of the cross is also troublesome. To think God will dispense earthly rewards based on a higher level of reverence seems whack.)

I'm not a Tebow fan by any stretch, but I do recall him saying in an interview that God doesn't care who wins or loses and Tebow's just grateful to God to be given the opportunity.

OK

I'm praying this thread gets back on subject.

Bro-dog, you're in luck: I just got the pink slip from the Chiefs.



The GM fired me, also.

That is the cruel, ultimate irony - in this year's version of the Cowboys' annual December swoon, Romo is THE ONLY guy on the team NOT flailing and failing.

FACT: Romo is 4th in the NFL in QB rating this season with a 100.6, with a 26-9 TD-INT ratio.
FACT: Romo's rating so far this December is an even higher 116.2, having completed just under 70% of his passes, with a 5-0 TD-INT ratio.
FACT: The Cowboys are 0-2 so far this December, so everyone just assumes it's his fault.

I feel so bad for the guy. He honestly deserves a better fate, and not to be stuck playing for such a horribly run franchise surrounded by underachieving and overpaid losers.

At this point, I am MUCH MORE of a Romo fan than I am a Cowboy fan.

For those who watch Boardwalk Empire, Jerry is The Commodore, but we haven't had the good fortune yet of his son playing the role of Darmody and finishing it.

You just sealed Romo's fate for the rest of the season.

Well, I understand what you are trying to say with that section of Luke, but I'm facing a disconnect on how you are trying to bring Tebow and the pharisee together. How is Tebow saying he's better than anyone else? All the post-game, pre-game, in-between game, etc interviews he's quite humbled and attributes his success to his team and God. Not sure how that parallels. He isn't standing there saying, "boy, I'm really glad I'm not on the Chiefs".

Here's the thing, as a Christian I know its expected for me to fawn all over Tebow--but I don't. Is his story intriguing, yes. Do I think God has favor over Tebow and not someone else? No. We're all on the same level. God may have blessed Tebow with an opportunity, but God is blessing many other people as well (= understatement).

Harry, I'm sorry you may have been hurt by the church. We're not all idiots with placards. Some of us want to follow Jesus, and fall down...a lot. Some of us just want to love everyone. Granted, there is a section of Christians out there who live in a perverted worldview, but I know a lot of other people who aren't Christians who are living life in a way that's not great either. Tebow for better or worse has been created by outside forces. I would imagine (though, I obviously can't speak for him), he is probably pretty humble--at least that's how he's come off in interviews, and with interviews with people around him. Why call him out for Tebowing(praying) in the endzone and then not call out when someone mocks getting shot in the leg?

Harry, PM me. I'd love to talk more and hear yr views. Obviously this has gotten terribly off topic.

Playoff bound Texans. It is about damn time.

Was again pleased with TJ Yates yesterday. Not sure we are able to keep up with any of the elite teams without Schaub and Andre, but that kid is playing great for us right now in my opinion.

if the broncos win the super bowl this year, i'll take up christianity.

Man, I just don't know how you guys keep pulling out wins with so many injuries.

My question is, what do you do next year? Yates has obviously established he can hang as a rookie QB, so do you keep Schaub when he comes back (my choice) and trade Yates, or do you trade Schaub and keep Yates. 'Cause there are a lot of QB deficient teams who would give half a roster for either.

"May Contain Jesus"

OOOOOOooooo, you got him.

Snooze you lose. That's been there for awhile.

I would like say the defense keeps them winning, but really they have given up some points lately.

What I don't understand is how Yates' first week they win with the run, Tate and Foster, this is what I expected the formula to be so as to limit mistakes on his part, especially with Andre gone. But then this week, dude goes out and throws for 300 yards while the RBs barely get a combined 100 yards.

Regardless, it makes me happy.

I would certainly hope we stick with Schaub though. He is at least proven and healthy he is just top-notch. No need to roll the Matt Cassel dice on Yates in my opinion. Wouldn't mind letting Leinart go though.

IMO, you wouldn't have won Sunday's game with Leinart.

Oh, I knew that; thus, why I posted it in "scare quotes". (Which I am also putting in scare-quotes. Spooky.)

But, all this talk of God acting thru Tebow, or Tebow's devotion providing him the wherewithal to pull out a number of heart-stopping wins, it is the converse of this: Stevie Johnson blames God for dropped pass.

(& you thought I was going to link to the ONION story.)