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They played 6 preseason games during the 14 game schedule. That's crazy.


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My predictions

AFC East
New England (11-5)
Buffalo (9-7)
Jets (7-9)
Miami (6-10)

AFC South
Tennessee (9-7)
Houston (8-8)
Jacksonville (6-10)
Indy (3-13)

AFC North
Pittsburgh (12-4)
Baltimore (11-5)
Cincinnati (9-7)
Cleveland (8-8)

AFC West
Oakland (10-6)
Kansas City (9-7)
San Diego (8-8)
Denver (2-14)

NFC East
Giants (10-6)
Dallas (10-6)
Washington (9-7)
Philadelphia (6-10)

NFC South
Carolina (10-6)
Atlanta (9-7)
New Orleans (8-8)
Tampa Bay (6-10)

NFC North
Green Bay (11-5)
Detroit (10-6)
Chicago (10-6)
Minneapolis (3-13)

NFC West
Seattle (10-6)
San Fransisco (9-7)
Arizona (4-12)
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The Eagles 6-10?!? Trent Cole is going to hunt you down if you're not careful.

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I haven't felt this good about an Eagles team since the first TO season. So, I am definitely expecting some sort of gut-punch disappointment at the end of it. But 6-10 is crazy.


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San Fran and Denver both made the playoffs last year, advancing to the second round, and both improved at key positions. By all accounts P. Manning is doing quite well, and Randy Moss looks like the Moss of the undefeated Patriots season. Somehow I think you predictions are based on personal predilections and not actual data.

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I think Seattle improved quite a bit more at more important positions (QB, D Line) than SF did---is it enough to overtake them for the division? Probably not this year, but it wouldn't completely surprise me.


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I think Seattle improved quite a bit more at more important positions (QB, D Line) than SF did---is it enough to overtake them for the division? Probably not this year, but it wouldn't completely surprise me.


I like Russell Wilson a lot but I've got to bet against a 5'10 rookie in a (my opinion) shaky offense. No offense, Doc, Seattle is about a 7-9 IMHO.

P.S. San Fran didn't need to necessarily improve with player pickups insomuch as protect their assets and they did--same defense and a few additions on offense plus a full offseason with a good coach.

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The Eagles 6-10?!? Trent Cole is going to hunt you down if you're not careful.

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I haven't felt this good about an Eagles team since the first TO season. So, I am definitely expecting some sort of gut-punch disappointment at the end of it. But 6-10 is crazy.


ditto.
Last year was one of those everything that can go wrong will go wrong seasons, and once they got that out of them it was too late to recover, but they were playing very well at the end of the season. Going to miss Peters though.

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Yail Bloor Wrote:
The Dreaded Marco Wrote:
I think Seattle improved quite a bit more at more important positions (QB, D Line) than SF did---is it enough to overtake them for the division? Probably not this year, but it wouldn't completely surprise me.


I like Russell Wilson a lot but I've got to bet against a 5'10 rookie in a (my opinion) shaky offense. No offense, Doc, Seattle is about a 7-9 IMHO.

P.S. San Fran didn't need to necessarily improve with player pickups insomuch as protect their assets and they did--same defense and a few additions on offense plus a full offseason with a good coach.


I agree that SF is still the division favorite. I was just replying to Loog's suggestion that the addition of Randy Moss makes them all that much better in comparison to what Seattle did.

And if they can go 7-9 with an injured Tarvaris Jackson at QB then I like their chances of improving on that with either Wilson or Flynn starting. Not to mention an improved/healthy O line and receiving corps and a still very solid running game. And their defense is very good. If Wilson (or Flynn) flails, another 7-9 season sounds about right. I think they'll be better at QB and will win 9 or 10 games.


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I got no problem with that. I just looked at their schedule again for perspective...yep, 7-9.

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Interesting that people keep picking Steelers over Ravens for AFC North. I've got no problems with people not picking the Baltimore, but at least pick Cincy. Steelers are looking old and worn out. They didn't improve really any problem areas, and I don't think Wallace is going to be enough to buoy the offense.

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Interesting that people keep picking Steelers over Ravens for AFC North. I've got no problems with people not picking the Baltimore, but at least pick Cincy. Steelers are looking old and worn out. They didn't improve really any problem areas, and I don't think Wallace is going to be enough to buoy the offense.


On the surface I agree. But damn if the Steelers don't always find a way in to the playoffs. Also, Mike Wallace, yadda yadda, but Antonio Brown is the motherfucking man.


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AFC West: San Diego (11 wins)
AFC South: Houston (10)
AFC North: Baltimore (12)
AFC East: New England (10)

Wildcards: Pittsburgh (10), Denver (10)

NFC West: St. Louis (9)
NFC South: Atlanta (11)
NFC North: Green Bay (13)
NFC East: New York (11)

Wildcards: Carolina (10), Chicago (10)

Playoffs:

Denver over Houston
Pittsburgh over New England

Baltimore over Denver
Pittsburgh over Houston

Baltimore over Pittsburgh

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Carolina over St. Louis
New York over Chicago

Green Bay over Carolina
Atlanta over New York

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Ugh, my bones hurt just thinking about playing in Lambeau in late January. Fuck that. Also, unless the Falcs make a mid season trade for MJD, I'm not sure they've got the firepower.

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The Cowboys are the only team in the league who could just as likely go 11-5 as 5-11 this season. The defense should be much, MUCH better (which is good, seeing how badly they sucked last year), but the offensive line is so terrible that Romo will be lucky if he's not in the ICU by the 3rd quarter Wednesday night.

My heart says they go 10-6, but my head says 7-9.

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Ugh, my bones hurt just thinking about playing in Lambeau in late January. Fuck that. Also, unless the Falcs make a mid season trade for MJD, I'm not sure they've got the firepower.


I trust Matty Ice throwing to Julio Jones more than I do Matt Stafford If He's Healthy throwing to Megatron or Alex Smith throwing to Rand Moss.

Tony Gonzalez is still a nice security blanket, too.


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The Dreaded Marco Wrote:
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I think Seattle improved quite a bit more at more important positions (QB, D Line) than SF did---is it enough to overtake them for the division? Probably not this year, but it wouldn't completely surprise me.


I like Russell Wilson a lot but I've got to bet against a 5'10 rookie in a (my opinion) shaky offense. No offense, Doc, Seattle is about a 7-9 IMHO.

P.S. San Fran didn't need to necessarily improve with player pickups insomuch as protect their assets and they did--same defense and a few additions on offense plus a full offseason with a good coach.


I agree that SF is still the division favorite. I was just replying to Loog's suggestion that the addition of Randy Moss makes them all that much better in comparison to what Seattle did.

And if they can go 7-9 with an injured Tarvaris Jackson at QB then I like their chances of improving on that with either Wilson or Flynn starting. Not to mention an improved/healthy O line and receiving corps and a still very solid running game. And their defense is very good. If Wilson (or Flynn) flails, another 7-9 season sounds about right. I think they'll be better at QB and will win 9 or 10 games.


Chris, The shakiest part of the Seattle offense last year was Tavaris Jackson - He did better than I might have expected him to, but here are no less than 5 games (including the game against the Falcons) where we put the ball in Jackson's hands with time on the clock to run the two minute offense and he couldn't get it done or recognize a blitz and hit a hot route. Even if he'd only won 2 of those games we would have been 9-7 last year. Wilson may be shorter, but he's shown to be nails under pressure.

As far as the schedule, I'll agree and admit that it looks tough, but you should know as well as anyone that it is absolutely FOOLISH to assign wins and losses on September 2nd. Almost any of those teams on the schedule could be in big trouble if they had a big player go down and that happens to teams EVERY year. Also, there's a few games like the Bears game where you are probably assigning a L, when you may not realize that Seattle has gone to Chicago twice in the past two seasons and beat the Bears (doesn't mean we will necessarily do it this year, but obviously there is a precedent for it).

As far as SF is concerned - they are a great defense, and are the team to beat in the division, but a lot of things came together perfectly for them last year. They led the league with a +28 turnover ratio, were relatively healthy and won 7 of games by 7 points or less. These sorts of things are not necessarily sustainable from year to year, so it is likely that SF will come back down to earth a bit more this year.......Finally as far as the 49er's receivers are concerned - someone else put it a lot better than me recently:
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Oh and el_scorcho and jewels, Fuck Trent Cole in his cheap shot-ing pectoral muscle-tearing ass - Hope he gets his this year. (In case you don't remember what I'm referring to):
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Ugh, my bones hurt just thinking about playing in Lambeau in late January. Fuck that. Also, unless the Falcs make a mid season trade for MJD, I'm not sure they've got the firepower.


I trust Matty Ice throwing to Julio Jones more than I do Matt Stafford If He's Healthy throwing to Megatron or Alex Smith throwing to Rand Moss.

Tony Gonzalez is still a nice security blanket, too.


And don't forget Roddy, who at this point, Julio's massive potential aside, is the best receiver on this team, the best possession receiver in the League and, i dunno, the 4th or 5th best WR in football. Also, a dude who will continue to play with a massive chip on his shoulder. Roddy be nasty.

I just worry about Turner...I love Quizz as a change of pace, but I'm just not sure Turner can carry the mail anymore. Hey Mike, if you reading this, please kick ass this year.

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Chris, The shakiest part of the Seattle offense last year was Tavaris Jackson - He did better than I might have expected him to, but here are no less than 5 games (including the game against the Falcons) where we put the ball in Jackson's hands with time on the clock to run the two minute offense and he couldn't get it done or recognize a blitz and hit a hot route. Even if he'd only won 2 of those games we would have been 9-7 last year. Wilson may be shorter, but he's shown to be nails under pressure.

As far as the schedule, I'll agree and admit that it looks tough, but you should know as well as anyone that it is absolutely FOOLISH to assign wins and losses on September 2nd. Almost any of those teams on the schedule could be in big trouble if they had a big player go down and that happens to teams EVERY year. Also, there's a few games like the Bears game where you are probably assigning a L, when you may not realize that Seattle has gone to Chicago twice in the past two seasons and beat the Bears (doesn't mean we will necessarily do it this year, but obviously there is a precedent for it).

As far as SF is concerned - they are a great defense, and are the team to beat in the division, but a lot of things came together perfectly for them last year. They led the league with a +28 turnover ratio, were relatively healthy and won 7 of games by 7 points or less. These sorts of things are not necessarily sustainable from year to year, so it is likely that SF will come back down to earth a bit more this year.......Finally as far as the 49er's receivers are concerned - someone else put it a lot better than me recently:
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This year's wide receiver corps includes the me-first Randy Moss, the me-first Michael Crabtree, me-first top draft choice A.J. Jenkins and Mario Manningham, who left the Giants because he wasn't getting the ball enough. What could possibly go wrong?


Everything you say is true, and the Seahawks are a team I secretly root for because i actually like Pete Carroll, LOVE that stadium and the home field advantage it creates and have begrudgingly accepted all my friends who have moved to the NW and adopted the teams instead of, you know, being real men and rooting for the teams they rooted for ignored growing up.

But I'll stand by my pick and probably be wrong.

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Over/Under on games Moss plays for the Niners before being cut?

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Over/Under on games Moss plays for the Niners before being cut?


I put the line at 6, and will take the under. :)


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Why Your Team Sucks 2012: Dallas Cowboys

I've been enjoying reading these, team by team.

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