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"Streekbier" just means Local Beer, so it doesn't tell you much, they tend to be low alcohol and pale.

And shit, Pliny the Younger...

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I had one of these while I was out there too. Very carmel/flowery. Decent enough but I wouldn't recommend. Mine had little to no head on it and all the reviews on it state otherwise so maybe the bar was having a CO2 issue. Maybe it would kick ass if it was bubblier. Hate the logo.

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Yeah the art is no good. Big turn off.

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Cap'n Squirrgle Wrote:
Yail Bloor Wrote:
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What do you wish someone would brew for you?


A sour...There simply aren't enough around.

This is an interesting read


I can get sour malt, but some of those bacteria strains are not gonna be too accessible locally. And I can't culture from one of his bottles because I can't get one. Also, like he says, once you start playing with sours you need TWO of everything, and I don't have two sets of gear.

Oh and nothing's showing up for me in your second post...



I'm probably the board's biggest fan of sours but it's not really an option for what can I brew to drink in early spring. Even if you brewed today, it probably wouldn't be ready to drink by early spring. That said, I agree completely with Bloor that Sours are a harder style to find especially if you can't buy the great RR ones. My first thought had been a Flanders Ale before I thought it through and realized all the issues. If I was as serious about homebrewing as you are, I'd make the investment in the second set of gear and experiment with sours. Then again, it's my favorite style so that's easy for me to say.

Other than sours, my tastes gravitate to either extreme of the light/refreshing to bold flavors/heavy beer styles so it's a hard question. I'd probably stick with my earlier recommendation of an English Mild. Here's a recipe for a clone for Eagle Rock's Solidarity:

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/cybi-ea ... ns-305276/

but you might want to experiment with trying to amp up the flavors a bit. They also make a Mild with Vanilla added that is much much better. I have no idea how much vanilla they add though.

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I just got an invite from a local brew pub for next week for a Russian River Flight Night with pours of Pliny the Elder, Pliny the Younger, and Blind Pig. I've only had Younger once and couldn't really detect much difference between it and the Elder but I was already really buzzed and wasn't able to taste them together to do a true side by side comparison. Not sure I'll go to it but pretty cool to have the option at least.


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I remember well your previous rec - the milds. I actually was doodling recipes for one yesterday at a 2-hour meeting. I wound up covering 3 pages of notepad with:

1. A scale of styles I might do next, arranged light-to-dark, so I could see them all and consider.
2. An ingredient list for each in sentence form.
3. An ingredient matrix so I could sum up likely purchase amounts, and to consider opportunities for minimizing the number of unique ingredients.
4. Long-form thoughts on two of them, mostly notes about desired color and complexity, hop varieties / amounts, things NOT to do, that sort of thing.

I was wishing I had my laptop open for research, but that would've been a little more obvious. I could very well have been taking copious meeting notes, as it was.

So I'm thinking about a Mild variant that's built on Maris (because I like the nuttiness of it for this), with the 9 other ingedients I see in that link, plus some brown sugar as recommended to keep it light. Milds are like making really complicated indian food, but only making enough for one plate, and then "cutting" it with like rice or something to stretch it to dinner for four. Lots going on, but low alcohol and density.

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But the best idea I had was making another big stout, but upping the % of the dark stuff to really thicken it up. I want to call it Nancy Ironbox, which is a nickname I have for a lady at work who was speaking at the time.

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I was walking around the liquor store tonight looking to get something and couldn't really find anything I wanted and then almost tripped over a couple of cases of Goose Island Big John, Night Stalker and Bourbon County Coffee. I grabbed the Bourbon County and Big John.

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Recents.

Notch - Valley Malt BSA
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Valley Malt is where I aim to get my malts, once I get a mill and a better scale. They're the local outfit in western MA who get New England grown organic grains and do their own malting, which is pretty incredible considering nobody else in the US (that I know of) is doing malting but the Big 3 in the midwest. Anywho, this was labeled as a farmhouse, but really didn't taste like it. I got the wheat/barley mixture, the sunny color and cloudy body, but the yeast didn't have much belgian to it, and the hops didn't taste like nobles. In fact it was incredibly lemony, which I would swear is a result of using Sorachi Ace hops, except that they're expensive and so people who use them usually advertise it, which Notch doesn't here. But damn, it had a strongly lemony and almost astringent flavor, just a little past the Good mark and veering into Too Much territory. A light wheaty body and a big Lemon Pith bitter smack. Weird, not quite right. Oh well. The malt was great.

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I donno if I'm just harder to please now after Belgian Night, but this was not really all that great for me. A good beer for sure, but not what I'd go for when I want a big belgian caramel bomb. Nothing about it stopped me and made me pay attention, which might speak more to my ability to guzzle 10% abv beers these days than it does to the quality of this one.

Backlash - Famine (a single malt/hop Tripel)
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So this was interesting. Somehow it didn't hit me as incredibly belgian while I was drinking it, but sniffing the bottle afterwards it smelled dead-nuts right. I think I drank it too cold. So they did what I did with my barleywine (currently in a barrel), which is to go for a single kind of malt and a single kind of hop, which does limit the complexity you can get somewhat. They've made up for it with some spicing (coriander and orange zest I think), and good hops can have a LOT of complex higher alcohol flavors when you treat them right (citrus, pine, flowers, berries), so I like the idea of trying out simple recipes and doing them well, because the results are almost always surprising. It's so tempting to think that big complex beers can only become so but virtue of having 45 ingredients. So when you make something with 1 malt, 1 hop, 1 kind of yeast, and water (and in this case some spices I guess), it's nice to see how deep and interesting beer still is. As for THIS beer, I didn't fall in love but I give them a lot of credit for originality and balls. I like the artwork and theme, I liked the beer, and I like the strategy behind it.

Wormtown - IPA
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Another local aiming for the higher end of the market. Don't LOVE the marketing, but I don't hate it either. The beer was pretty good actually. I suspect I'd rate this very highly in a blind taste test. It was a snappy, rounded, full caramel IPA. Nothing to fault here. I think I liked the other one of theirs I had a while back. -shrug-


Caracole - Troublette
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My birthday dinner was accompanied by this bottle (and a pint of something else that was local and delicious, a scotch ale of some sort whose maker now escapes me). Holy shit, this renewed my faith in the belgians. It's like 5% or so, it isn't a "big" anything, but there is something absolutely magical and balanced about it that makes you realize that a lot of the local imitators are doing a decent job but are not the real thing. There's still a difference. Wheaty, complex, VERY nicely balanced between sweet and bitter, just about as perfect a dinner beer as I could have asked for.

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Cap'n Squirrgle Wrote:
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I donno if I'm just harder to please now after Belgian Night, but this was not really all that great for me. A good beer for sure, but not what I'd go for when I want a big belgian caramel bomb. Nothing about it stopped me and made me pay attention, which might speak more to my ability to guzzle 10% abv beers these days than it does to the quality of this one.




I'm with you on this. I think it's pretty meh.


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Cap'n Squirrgle Wrote:
Recents.

Backlash - Famine (a single malt/hop Tripel)
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So this was interesting. Somehow it didn't hit me as incredibly belgian while I was drinking it, but sniffing the bottle afterwards it smelled dead-nuts right. I think I drank it too cold. So they did what I did with my barleywine (currently in a barrel), which is to go for a single kind of malt and a single kind of hop, which does limit the complexity you can get somewhat. They've made up for it with some spicing (coriander and orange zest I think), and good hops can have a LOT of complex higher alcohol flavors when you treat them right (citrus, pine, flowers, berries), so I like the idea of trying out simple recipes and doing them well, because the results are almost always surprising. It's so tempting to think that big complex beers can only become so but virtue of having 45 ingredients. So when you make something with 1 malt, 1 hop, 1 kind of yeast, and water (and in this case some spices I guess), it's nice to see how deep and interesting beer still is. As for THIS beer, I didn't fall in love but I give them a lot of credit for originality and balls. I like the artwork and theme, I liked the beer, and I like the strategy behind it.



I've been less and less impressed by them with each beer they put out. I guess they had another beer planned for this series but it got screwed up somehow and he decided not to release it.

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Oh wow.

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My haul today. Drove 2 hours roundtrip to Bowling Green, KY to pick up some Whistlepig Rye, which isn't distributed to Tennessee, and then stopped by Wino's Depot where I picked up some brews which also can't be bought here.



the smaller bottle is the Struise Pannepot 2009
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/15237/34306
http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/struise-pannepot/37835/

to the right of it is the Upright Brewing Six


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I just got back from KC. I had to steward category 12 (Porter) last night, and categories 16 (Belgian and French Ales) and 11 (English Brown Ales) today.
Category 16 was pretty brutal, since there were 46 beers to judge, but the English Brown Ales were the most boring to sit through.
I had a glass of Avery Salvation with my lunch yesterday and a Bell's Smitten Golden Rye at the Flying Saucer after we finished judging.
I also came back home with bombers of Stone Ruination, The Hermitage Citra Hop IPA and Santa Fe Chicken Killer Barleywine, and a four pack of Founder's Breakfast Stout that only cost me $9.99.

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Uinta - Sea Legs Baltic Porter (Crooked Line series)



Finally got around to drinking this last night and thought it was great. Lots of typical Porter flavors; vanilla, oak, chocolate, etc.

The thing that sets it apart for me is the drinkability for such a high ABV (8.7%). The booze barely peeked through. A dangerous porter.

Their Crooked Line series continues to impress.


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Picked up a four pack of Timber Beast by Lazy Magnolia Brewery out of Kiln, Mississippi. (LooGAR reports they were contract brewing with his boys over in Gadsden before they got their own operation going). Anyway, its a Rye DIPA and I thought it was damn good. I've mentioned before that a lot of the Rye beers don't do it for me but this one kept the rye mellow or maybe just more complimentary to the flavor of the hops. Recommended.

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i'm trying to remember everything i tried this past weekend.

goose island big john
local option american muscle
rising tide daymark
thornbridge halcyon
kerkom bink blond
maine beer company lil one
bull jagger big claw pilsner
sixpoint autumnation
evil twin brewing hipster ale
rogue brutal bitter
epic/dogfish head portamarillo
fremont brewing abominable ale
fremont brewing bourbon abominable winter ale
and a couple of homebrews

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had an unexpected great beer night last night. we had some friends over for dinner and my buddy (who routinely brings back cases of Pliny from his travels back to NorCal) walks in with a little soft sided cooler. opens it up and pulls out a couple Pliny's and a couple Fat Head Head Hunter IPA's and a couple Three Floyd's Zombie Dust.

he remembered how bummed i was at GABF when we finally got to the Three Floyd's booth and they were tapped out. that stuff truly is magical, the nose is incredible...i just smelled it for a bit before even drinking. and it may be because i have had the other beers previous to last night coupled with the novelty of something "new", but that shit may be my new #1. not a hop bomb, and infinitely drinkable...possibly the most balanced beer i have ever tasted.

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Nice!

I'm headed to Cali this weekend and my #1 mission is to find Pliny and any other Russian River I can get my hands on.


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Nice!

I'm headed to Cali this weekend and my #1 mission is to find Pliny and any other Russian River I can get my hands on.


http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Plin ... C32mRZCCA4


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Nice!

I'm headed to Cali this weekend and my #1 mission is to find Pliny and any other Russian River I can get my hands on.


http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Plin ... C32mRZCCA4


Damn. $20 for a 10oz pour? Is that pretty standard for that beer?

I know it's supply and demand but that seems pretty exorbitant.


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Rick Derris Wrote:
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Nice!

I'm headed to Cali this weekend and my #1 mission is to find Pliny and any other Russian River I can get my hands on.


http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Plin ... C32mRZCCA4


Damn. $20 for a 10oz pour? Is that pretty standard for that beer?

I know it's supply and demand but that seems pretty exorbitant.


No, that's not standard. They figured that given the demand, they'd jack the price and give everything above their cost to the PAL charity. There are a bunch of other bars offering it at more standard pricing but this is the only tapping I know of when you're in town. There's one tonight that even accepted reservations. That doesn't help you much.


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fremont brewing bourbon abominable winter ale


That's the stuff right there.


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If you go to Bloor's house, he'll give you Oude To Mercy and Hopslam and some other delicious DIPA from Mississippi somewhere whose name escapes me.

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TIMBER BEAST.

That was really good.

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