Rick Derris Wrote:
Speaking of saisons:
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Many consider Saison Dupont one of the best but it may be one of my least favorites. Something about it is just too overpowering and not quite delicate enough. It's like the difference in a St. Bernardus Tripel and ANY American attempt at a Tripel.
So on that one, DuPont does something unusual, which is to use ONLY Belgian pilsner malt (THE lightest base malt there is, same foundation as almost all pilsners), no other malts. Pretty much every other Saison has either wheat, some Vienna or Munich malt, or even belgian biscuit or honey malt... something with a tiny bit of color and aroma to make the malt backbone slightly more complex. Historically the saison's job was to be a beer that guys could drink and still swing a scythe, and they were made with whatever grain was around on top of the belgian pilsner malt. Also, DuPont's yeast strain is (to my mouth) especially dry, even though they're supposed to be for that style... still, theirs is dryer than others I think. Maybe the answer is in there somewhere. Dry and plain.
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Bell's - Midwestern Pale Ale
Not sure if I got an old sixer or what but I tried this with a steak a couple weeks ago and couldn't get through half of it. My second big miss from these guys (other being Java stout). I tried with it 3 times and ended up pouring the last 3 out. I'm not sure what I expected but whatever hop profile they're using, I didn't like.
Don't think I've ever had it - was it the hop flavors? The green portion, in other words, that was wrong? Or was it skunky? Because hoppy beers fade quick, and maybe they got an old case.
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Jailhouse Brewing - Smokey Wheat
From the local guys around here. Basically billed as a wheat beer with smoked malts. Some reviews have called it a dunkelweizen which I guess that's technically what it is but it would be an insult to all the great german dunkels. I just got a watered down beer with a campfire smoke flavor. These guys are running out of chances to impress me.
Dunkels really were just regular wheats with something to darken them - the "something" changed a lot over the centuries, which is why you get a long leash in that style definition, from what I've read. Agree with you, though, really nobody has challenged the german old houses for mastery here. They've got some teutonic black magic with wheats.