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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 11:38 am 
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This HAS to be the album title, by the way. Think of the double meaning, as in the grave you so narrowly avoided in that crash.

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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 11:39 am 
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wenchlette Wrote:
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This HAS to be the album title, by the way.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:27 pm 
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Album is recorded, except for strings on two songs. So did I tell you that the studio I booked double booked over me? I ended up taking over the old sweat box with a friend and that's where we recorded it. Ken is hilarious and amazingly talented and now I'm going to pass out.

I might send out a rough mix of a song to the kickstarter supporters. Kind of torn. Thoughts?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:18 am 
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Album is recorded, except for strings on two songs. So did I tell you that the studio I booked double booked over me? I ended up taking over the old sweat box with a friend and that's where we recorded it. Ken is hilarious and amazingly talented and now I'm going to pass out.

I might send out a rough mix of a song to the kickstarter supporters. Kind of torn. Thoughts?

Thoughts:
This is amazing news.
As to sending out a rough mix... that is totally your call. If you feel like a rough mix is something that you want folks to hear, then go for it. If it makes you uneasy in any way, keep it to yourself.
You probably don't want to get feedback (which you will get) on something that you know damn well is not complete. And you definitely don't want people telling you what they think the song needs (which you will get from at least one person).
Trust me. I've done it.

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I've recently noticed that all the unfortunate events in the lives of blues singers all seem to rhyme... I think all these tragedies could be avoided with a good rhyming dictionary.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:47 pm 
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Phil,

Don't rush to get something out, just because you are excited or want to thank people. Let us wait for the finished product. Patience should be had all around.

So did the studio give you some kind of discount for the mixup?

I can't believe it's been 2 months already...


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:05 pm 
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What Timmy said. Control your product. Can't take back a lackluster first impression.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:33 pm 
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Really it's been almost three months since the kickstarter campaign ended on may 6th. I couldn't use the other studio at all because the dates they had available were all dates I didn't have a producer.

All right then, mp3s for Christmas and vinyl for either valentine's or st paddy's.

It's really hard to sit on this cause I want to talk track order with you guys and shit like that.
And what to call this damn thing.

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You can let like 2 or 3 people hear it, but really I would limit it as much as possible. The wider audience needs to hear it when it's 100% done.

In the 70's, Sierra Nevada flushed 9 batches of Pale before they got it right, and THEN they sold it to the public. Here in Boston, Idle Hands brewery put out homebrewy tasting belgian beers at their release party, and I've never gone back and tried them again.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:06 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:24 pm 
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I think if you let anyone hear it on the board, it should definitely be someone who plays music as I think they'd have better insight into the feedback that you're looking for.

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PopTodd Wrote:
And you definitely don't want people telling you what they think the song needs (which you will get from at least one person).
Trust me. I've done it.

Radcliffe Wrote:
Prince of Darkness Wrote:
strings


:nono:


I rest my case.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:24 am 
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I think if you let anyone hear it on the board, it should definitely be someone who plays music as I think they'd have better insight into the feedback that you're looking for.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:40 am 
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shiv Wrote:
I think if you let anyone hear it on the board, it should definitely be someone who plays music as I think they'd have better insight into the feedback that you're looking for.


Agreed.

Disagreed.
We tend to all want to play Producer.
We will tell Phil what WE hear in the music and where WE think that it should go. All that will do is get him to second-guess all of his decisions and original choices. This is his project. And he already has a producer -- a damn good one at that.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:55 am 
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PopTodd Wrote:
FT Wrote:
shiv Wrote:
I think if you let anyone hear it on the board, it should definitely be someone who plays music as I think they'd have better insight into the feedback that you're looking for.


Agreed.

Disagreed.
We tend to all want to play Producer.
We will tell Phil what WE hear in the music and where WE think that it should go. All that will do is get him to second-guess all of his decisions and original choices. This is his project. And he already has a producer -- a damn good one at that.


I'm with you - I think it's preferable for him to wait until it's finished before sharing...but like shiv said, IF he wants to share it should just be with someone like you, toots, or Mark Caputo (actual musicians) and not just us rank amateur listeners.

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FT Wrote:
PopTodd Wrote:
FT Wrote:
shiv Wrote:
I think if you let anyone hear it on the board, it should definitely be someone who plays music as I think they'd have better insight into the feedback that you're looking for.


Agreed.

Disagreed.
We tend to all want to play Producer.
We will tell Phil what WE hear in the music and where WE think that it should go. All that will do is get him to second-guess all of his decisions and original choices. This is his project. And he already has a producer -- a damn good one at that.


I'm with you - I think it's preferable for him to wait until it's finished before sharing...but like shiv said, IF he wants to share it should just be with someone like you, toots, or Mark Caputo (actual musicians) and not just us rank amateur listeners.


This is an admirable attempt to find the safe middle but have you thought about how this might offend some obner who might not be a musician but might think he or she has a valid opinion to share?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:23 pm 
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Trust your own artistic soul. Fuck everyone else, especially other musicians.


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this post was meant for billy

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:15 am 
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I say scrobble it to your lastfm station and let me rate it against what's on radcliffe's station.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:51 am 
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billy g Wrote:
FT Wrote:
PopTodd Wrote:
FT Wrote:
shiv Wrote:
I think if you let anyone hear it on the board, it should definitely be someone who plays music as I think they'd have better insight into the feedback that you're looking for.


Agreed.

Disagreed.
We tend to all want to play Producer.
We will tell Phil what WE hear in the music and where WE think that it should go. All that will do is get him to second-guess all of his decisions and original choices. This is his project. And he already has a producer -- a damn good one at that.


I'm with you - I think it's preferable for him to wait until it's finished before sharing...but like shiv said, IF he wants to share it should just be with someone like you, toots, or Mark Caputo (actual musicians) and not just us rank amateur listeners.


This is an admirable attempt to find the safe middle but have you thought about how this might offend some obner who might not be a musician but might think he or she has a valid opinion to share?


I think that the older I get and the longer I teach, the more thankful I am to find people with any opinions at all.

Pm your email address if you want me to share it on google drive with you.

Keep in mind that its unmixed, there's no eq, not all of the vocals are comped, etc.

I'd really like to have conversations about track order.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:02 am 
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billy g Wrote:
FT Wrote:
PopTodd Wrote:
FT Wrote:
shiv Wrote:
I think if you let anyone hear it on the board, it should definitely be someone who plays music as I think they'd have better insight into the feedback that you're looking for.


Agreed.

Disagreed.
We tend to all want to play Producer.
We will tell Phil what WE hear in the music and where WE think that it should go. All that will do is get him to second-guess all of his decisions and original choices. This is his project. And he already has a producer -- a damn good one at that.


I'm with you - I think it's preferable for him to wait until it's finished before sharing...but like shiv said, IF he wants to share it should just be with someone like you, toots, or Mark Caputo (actual musicians) and not just us rank amateur listeners.


This is an admirable attempt to find the safe middle but have you thought about how this might offend some obner who might not be a musician but might think he or she has a valid opinion to share?


I guess, but I'd be among those I'd supposedly be offending.

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