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Girls Can Tell is the only Spoon record that slightly bugs me.


You are the first person I ever heard say that. I guess everything didn't hit at once huh?

To each their own!


I'll be the second. The hooks are so obvious they're like a slap across your face. I'd like a lit more subtlety please.

Worst spoon album easily (of course by that I mean least good). KTM slays me. Still haven't heard the new one but it will be an automatic pickup.

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I love Spoon...love em, but as some people have said....Best band in the world?? I'm not so sure.0



I haven't heard Gimme Fiction, but Girl's Can Tell is among my favorite albums of the last decade. And A Series of Sneaks is not far behind, but I was dissapointed with Kill The Moonlight.

But my favorite band these days; Built to Spill. They just haven't produced an album, since There's Nothing Wrong With Love, that wasn't brilliant.

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But my favorite band these days; Built to Spill. They just haven't produced an album, since There's Nothing Wrong With Love, that wasn't brilliant.


Are you fucking insane??? Loook, for me, TNWWL is the perfect pop album, so much so that it's in my top 5 of all time. "Perfect from now on:" has an entirely different feel, but is still amazing, and produced some of their most enjoyable shows (for me, at least)...

But you're trying to tell me that Keep it Like A Secret is brilliant? Sure, it was a good (not perfect) blending of it's previous two albums, and there are some brilliant songs on there "'Center', 'Time Trap', 'You Were Right'"...but, as an album, it is very disjointed, unconnected and, dare I say it, uneven. "Ancient Melodies" is even worse in this regard...

Maybe you should look at the digression between "The Photo Album" and "Transatlanticism" as a starting point as to why I determine the drop off to be so steep. I mean, "ancient" is 4-5 good songs, sandwiched by 4-5 songs that are stretched too thin and overstay their welcome. I mean, could you really judge "Trimmed and Burning" as an improvement over anything off of "Keep It..."? To mee, "Ancient.." seems like it became a split between BTS's ideals, splitting the alt-pop/"experimental" qualities between the solo record and AMOTF. I mean (to me), anyone who doesn't automatically put "Nothing Wrong" or "Perfect" at the top of their list is flawed (to me), but to include a freakin' live album as a progression, on which several of the songs are covers? You might as well declaire BTS's peak "The Normal Years" and get away scott free on this one, Chief...

Just because someone is your favorite band doesn't mean that all that glitters is Gold...sorry to say it, because Built To Spill is one of my favorite bands, but you need to reasess things, Brah...[/i]

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Not really, but I think ...Secret and Transatlanticism are both brilliant, so nnnyahhhh!


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1. ktm
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I have listened to A Series of Sneaks and Girls Can Tell each at least once a day for the past 10-14 days, often back to back.

To me, GCT is so smooth. The album artwork of the green and black turntable image just oozes cool. It holds a great set of well thought out, precise songs perfect for driving aimlessly at night somewhere with lots of streetlights. It was almost instantly likeable with slick shots like "Anything You Want", "Take The Fifth" (a-woohoo!) and "Chicago At Night".

ASOS is a looser tumble, rougher around the edges with a more rebellious feel. The individual songs are faster and more ragged that those of GCT, more drums and fewer keys, more passion with less planning.

Where GCT dons some slick Kenneth Cole get up and pays $10 for a cocktail at some neon afflicted bar in the city, ASOS hasn't shaved in a day or two and is walking his raggedy jeansed ass through some neighborhood bars just because.

The glue between the two? To me it's "Believing Is Art".

EDIT: I forgot my point. Duh. ---->

I prefer ASOS because it stands up as a whole album rather than a series of individual songs. Not to malign GCT, but it has a tinge of contrivedness to it that isn't as much to my liking.

According to Neil Young, all rock bands fall into two categories: Beatles or Stones. Taking only part of his idea, I think that GCT is very much Beatles, where ASOS is firmly in Stonesylvania. Since I tend to gravitate towards the Stones/Mats/Crazy Horse end of the spectrum, that probably is why I like ASOS better.

It's also the perfect album to throw on your headphones while you do your grocery shopping.


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1. ktm
2. sneaks
3. fiction
3. gct
4. love ways


You don't know how close you really are. Those are definitely the top five, though 2 should be 1 and 4 should be 2. I know 1 ranks ahead of the 3s, but not quite sure which 3 is better than the other.

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Girls Can Tell is the only Spoon record that slightly bugs me.


You are the first person I ever heard say that. I guess everything didn't hit at once huh?

To each their own!


I'll be the second. The hooks are so obvious they're like a slap across your face. I'd like a lit more subtlety please.

Worst spoon album easily (of course by that I mean least good). KTM slays me. Still haven't heard the new one but it will be an automatic pickup.

np: Glen Phillips "Winter pays for Summer"


Billy G, I really like you, so I mean this respectfully. Lay off the pipe, bro.
Hooks = GOOD. GCT is easily their best album.....but

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I have listened to A Series of Sneaks and Girls Can Tell each at least once a day for the past 10-14 days, often back to back.

To me, GCT is so smooth. The album artwork of the green and black turntable image just oozes cool. It holds a great set of well thought out, precise songs perfect for driving aimlessly at night somewhere with lots of streetlights. It was almost instantly likeable with slick shots like "Anything You Want", "Take The Fifth" (a-woohoo!) and "Chicago At Night".

ASOS is a looser tumble, rougher around the edges with a more rebellious feel. The individual songs are faster and more ragged that those of GCT, more drums and fewer keys, more passion with less planning.

Where GCT dons some slick Kenneth Cole get up and pays $10 for a cocktail at some neon afflicted bar in the city, ASOS hasn't shaved in a day or two and is walking his raggedy jeansed ass through some neighborhood bars just because.

The glue between the two? To me it's "Believing Is Art".

EDIT: I forgot my point. Duh. ---->

I prefer ASOS because it stands up as a whole album rather than a series of individual songs. Not to malign GCT, but it has a tinge of contrivedness to it that isn't as much to my liking.

According to Neil Young, all rock bands fall into two categories: Beatles or Stones. Taking only part of his idea, I think that GCT is very much Beatles, where ASOS is firmly in Stonesylvania. Since I tend to gravitate towards the Stones/Mats/Crazy Horse end of the spectrum, that probably is why I like ASOS better.

It's also the perfect album to throw on your headphones while you do your grocery shopping.


Nail, meet head.

As always, Cory, you manage to clearly articulate what my jumbled mind is incapable of transferring to the hypertexted page.


This will lead me to explore ASOS further.

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No doubt, but he was right.

Although I'd be much harsher about Ancient Melodies, which is possibly the biggest "what the f?" misfire in "big" or popular indie rock, coming after Love, Perfect, and Secret.

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I think I've stated this before. Overall I believe Opeth to be the greatest bands in the world. But since they are well within the metal realm, I will put forth my votes. Drive By Truckers and The Constantines are the best bands going right now.


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Sen.LooGAR (D-Aladambama) Wrote:
billy g Wrote:
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Girls Can Tell is the only Spoon record that slightly bugs me.


You are the first person I ever heard say that. I guess everything didn't hit at once huh?

To each their own!


I'll be the second. The hooks are so obvious they're like a slap across your face. I'd like a lit more subtlety please.

Worst spoon album easily (of course by that I mean least good). KTM slays me. Still haven't heard the new one but it will be an automatic pickup.

np: Glen Phillips "Winter pays for Summer"


Billy G, I really like you, so I mean this respectfully. Lay off the pipe, bro.
Hooks = GOOD. GCT is easily their best album


Music with all surface level, obvious hooks is the musical equivalent of fruit stripe chewing gum. Incredibly enjoyable for 2 minutes and then it loses all its flavor and tastes like wet cardboard.

Don't get me wrong, I like hooks and I generally require a strong undercurrent of melody giving a song some structure and cohesiveness, but I greatly prefer some subtlety. I like music to reveal itself over time, and I like to hear things I'd missed on repeated listens. KTM does that, GCT doesn't.

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FT Wrote:
Aimarr Wrote:
1. ktm
2. sneaks
3. fiction
3. gct
4. love ways


You don't know how close you really are.


yea i know what you mean. they are all 0.5 - 1.0 apart (PITCHFORK SCALE LOL) apart. ktm is #1 tho.

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wait you rank love ways at #2?! given that its a great set of songs,
still there's only 5 of em?

that said "change in my life" could well be their best song

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I have listened to A Series of Sneaks and Girls Can Tell each at least once a day for the past 10-14 days, often back to back.

To me, GCT is so smooth. The album artwork of the green and black turntable image just oozes cool. It holds a great set of well thought out, precise songs perfect for driving aimlessly at night somewhere with lots of streetlights. It was almost instantly likeable with slick shots like "Anything You Want", "Take The Fifth" (a-woohoo!) and "Chicago At Night".

ASOS is a looser tumble, rougher around the edges with a more rebellious feel. The individual songs are faster and more ragged that those of GCT, more drums and fewer keys, more passion with less planning.

Where GCT dons some slick Kenneth Cole get up and pays $10 for a cocktail at some neon afflicted bar in the city, ASOS hasn't shaved in a day or two and is walking his raggedy jeansed ass through some neighborhood bars just because.

The glue between the two? To me it's "Believing Is Art".

EDIT: I forgot my point. Duh. ---->

I prefer ASOS because it stands up as a whole album rather than a series of individual songs. Not to malign GCT, but it has a tinge of contrivedness to it that isn't as much to my liking.

According to Neil Young, all rock bands fall into two categories: Beatles or Stones. Taking only part of his idea, I think that GCT is very much Beatles, where ASOS is firmly in Stonesylvania. Since I tend to gravitate towards the Stones/Mats/Crazy Horse end of the spectrum, that probably is why I like ASOS better.

It's also the perfect album to throw on your headphones while you do your grocery shopping.


Nail, meet head.

As always, Cory, you manage to clearly articulate what my jumbled mind is incapable of transferring to the hypertexted page.


Yes, you are now my hero. Perfectly articulated.

Also, no one's changed my mind yet. BTS would be contenders if not for the total arse of Ancient Melodies

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Since the Spoon is stirring the cochlea of many people around now, are there any new or profound thoughts on this. I'm sticking by the topic title.

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I think I've stated this before. Overall I believe Opeth to be the greatest bands in the world. But since they are well within the metal realm, I will put forth my votes. Drive By Truckers and The Constantines are the best bands going right now.


The Dirty South has moved up my list of favorite albums from last year. It might be number 1 now.

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Girls Can Tell is the only Spoon record that slightly bugs me.


You are the first person I ever heard say that. I guess everything didn't hit at once huh?

To each their own!


I'll be the second. The hooks are so obvious they're like a slap across your face. I'd like a lit more subtlety please.

Worst spoon album easily (of course by that I mean least good). KTM slays me. Still haven't heard the new one but it will be an automatic pickup.

np: Glen Phillips "Winter pays for Summer"


Billy G, I really like you, so I mean this respectfully. Lay off the pipe, bro.
Hooks = GOOD. GCT is easily their best album.....


i could say the same to you about why you don't like kid a & radiohead, but this is about spoon. hee hee. ;)


anyway, back to what billy g said, imo, i think it's the other way around with the hooks on KTM than GCT. i mean, "that's the way we get by?" "jonathan fisk?" "small stakes?" i think the hooks are so obvious there. i also noticed that when this album was released, people starting taking notice of spoon because it was more catchy and poppy. NOT that i have anything against KTM at all, because i don't. i think it's a great album, but not my favorite by spoon. actually, i don't think i've been disappointed with anything spoon's put out.

more thoughts:
at first gimme fiction was so-so to me, but it continued to grow and now it's easily up in my top 3 for 2005 by far. i'm still in debate whether i like gimme fiction better than girls can tell.

and another:
spoon is one of my favorite bands post-2000. i wouldn't say "best," but "favorite." if what you're defining as "best" band post-2000 by record sales & popularity, it definitely wouldn't be spoon. as far as quality goes however, i say spoon. but that's just me.

okay my random spoon babble for today.

p.s. if anyone rips that kcrw broadcast of spoon from today, please hook a sister up. thanks.

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anyway, back to what billy g said, imo, i think it's the other way around with the hooks on KTM than GCT. i mean, "that's the way we get by?" "jonathan fisk?" "small stakes?" i think the hooks are so obvious there. i also noticed that when this album was released, people starting taking notice of spoon because it was more catchy and poppy.


I'll agree on Jonathan Fisk but that song would stylistically fit better on GCT than it does on KTM, and i guess its no surprise then that its my least favorite song on KTM.

That's the way we get by may be catchy but there aren't any hooks I can think of there. Is there even any guitar on that song? Not for a long while anyway.

FT wrote a kickass review of KTM when it first came out about how its the most subtle (while I don't think necessarily his favorite) of Spoon's albums. I wonder if he has it anywhere because he put it much better than I could.


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All of Billy G's sentiments about GTC, please copy paste and attribute to me about Gimme Fiction. If we are talking about writing good pop albums with hooks, Spoon does that as well as anyone.

From a live show point of view, Spoon does not get into the same class as Built to Spill. The songs from Ancient Melodies are great live, and completely changed my initial negative readtion to the record.

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I just picked up Fiction on Wednesday and have listened to it three or four times since. I can already tell it's going to be a grower, and I haven't made any strong opinions yet. But initially I would say the album is a bit darker and more brooding. It's not quite as immediately catchy as KTM, my favorite Spoon album thusfar, but it feels like more of an album, and the hooks are all there. I can see this really growing on me after a few weeks.


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billy g Wrote:
FT wrote a kickass review of KTM when it first came out about how its the most subtle (while I don't think necessarily his favorite) of Spoon's albums. I wonder if he has it anywhere because he put it much better than I could.


I originally posted this to rateyourmusic.com (remember when we were all on THAT kick, kids?) on 8/15/2002...

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The line between self-indulgent experimentation and quantum creative development is hardly visible to anything this side of the Hubble Telescope. Neither side of the line subscribes to the “give the people what they want” theory (mockingly espoused by The Kinks’ identically-titled 1981 album), so both are susceptible to a potentially career-ending erosion of fan base. Not that Spoon’s spent the past several years touring filled stadiums on the heels of multi-platinum selling albums, but the very fact that their following is barely large enough to survive the loss of so much as a Telephono booth full of fans makes any such deviation from expectations even riskier.

With last year’s universally acclaimed Girls Can Tell, Spoon finally got a taste of the success that had eluded them while suffering through major label purgatory. Far more focused and polished than any of their previous efforts, GCT seemed to foreshadow an opportunity for Spoon to not only overcome their devastating Electra experience, but to actually end up better off than if they had never been dropped in the first place. But if you know anything about Britt Daniel and Jim Eno, it’s that they aren’t interested in delivering what’s expected simply to enhance their popularity. Ergo, Kill the Moonlight...

On the surface, this album has nothing whatsoever to do with its elder siblings in the Spoon back catalog, yet upon closer inspection, the same DNA is revealed. Daniel and Eno first tinkered with the chemistry of unorthodox sound patterns and rhythms on A Series of Sneaks, but masterfully used a solid backbone of guitar to harness the maelstrom. On KTM, they forgo any such restraint, in favor of a symphonically sparse experience likely to be quite jarring for those in search of GCT 2. Those willing to stay aboard for another ride will soon find the initial shock to their system replaced by a feeling of aural excitement more satisfying than just about anything you’ll find in an amusement park this summer.

The tone is set right from the get-go, with the lead-off track “Small Stakes” and its telling line, “I don’t dig the Stripes, but I go for Har Mar,” which alerts listeners to the fact that there will be no attempt on this album to emulate the in-vogue bombast of Jack & Meg White. In fact, hardly a drumbeat can be heard until nearly a minute into the second track, “The Way We Get By,” which somehow manages to lend appeal to the “van down by the river” lifestyle once preached as a cautionary tale by Chris Farley’s Matt Foley character from Saturday Night Live. Of course, it doesn’t hurt that the pot references here are accompanied by rollicking piano, rather than the crash of an obese motivational speaker splintering a coffee table.

By the time an actual, honest-to-God guitar lick surfaces on the third track in, “Something to Look Forward To,” it’s become apparent that Spoon is a guitar band that can actually thrive without one. Even so, as Daniel continues to impress on each successive album with his distinctive chops, what’s become most impressive of all is his innate knack for knowing exactly whether or not a song needs it, where a song needs it, and how loudly a song needs it. Yet even more impressive than that is how he continues to successfully hit upon unconventional components, or even some which might be widely considered passé, such as when he finds his inner Bobby McFerrin in the human beat-box driven “Stay Don’t Go,” which emphatically confirms this isn’t your “Everything Hits at Once” Spoon anymore.

For those who question whether Spoon is still capable of kickin’ out the jams, the full-throttle rocker “Jonathon Fisk” chronicles the universal bully vs. victim story in vivid flashback-quality detail, with such lines as, “Jonathon Fisk / always a risk / tells me he counts my teeth every night.” But without resorting to the eventual Columbinesque denouement of such revenge-based ancestors as Pearl Jam’s “Jeremy,” Daniel’s protagonist simply wants to give the bully a taste of his own medicine (“I wanna turn him around / turn him around.”). The following track, “Paper Tiger,” starts the second half of the record in a similarly sparse manner to “Small Stakes.” Never before have drumsticks played a more vital role in a song.

Spoon’s secret weapon – the piano – returns to the forefront with a vengeance on the relentlessly infectious “Someone Something,” where another telling line crystallizes Daniel and Eno’s 2002 mission statement: “Take some stock in what you are / once you see what you’ve got.” In addition to the lyrical revelations, the last half of KTM features plenty of the studio hijinks and tomfoolery for which Spoon is known, such as the false start to the greatest FM radio hit that will never be broadcast, “Don’t Let It Get You Down,” and the equally disturbing and engaging laughter at the beginning of “Back to the Life,” which uses a loop of Led Zeppelin’s “Boogie with Stu” in lieu of a rhythm section. Both tracks succeed on a grand scale, not in spite of, but because of such inspired goofiness.

If there’s any track on this entire album which could have just as easily fit on GCT, it’s “All the Pretty Girls Go to the City,” which means it will probably be most people’s favorite Spoon song this year. But that’s OK, because it also features some of Eno’s finest moments behind a drum kit. Meanwhile, the heart of the minute-and-a-half adrenaline burst called “You Gotta Feel It” is a horn section that’s both greasy and peppy.

KTM closes in epic fashion, with the tender and poignant pseudo-ballad “Vittorio E.,” which marks Daniel’s crowning achievement as a songwriter. Both lyrically and musically, Daniel hits all the right notes on this beautiful ender. The river that snakes through this song signifies not only the winding journey Spoon has taken to reach this point in their career, but makes it as clear as the spring-fed water that they have no plans to row the boat ashore for the security of greener pastures anytime soon.

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Spoon definitely gets my vote for best band in the world right now, i've been certifiably obsessed w/ them since i first randomly downloaded "Quincy Punk Episode." I guess my runners up for best band right now would have to be Drive-By Truckers and Queens of the Stone Age

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Location: Tulsa, OK
I've been a casual fan of Spoon and have picked up all their full lengths but not a overly fanatic spoon lover. However "Gimme Fiction" has me hooked moreso than their previous releases.


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