I didn't feel like finding the hot stove thread, but supposedly this is waiting approval of Angelos. Don't know how I feel about this proposed trade.

Cubs giving up way too much to get what they don't need. Best lineup does not win championships as has been proven with, oh, I don't know, the last umpteen world series in a row.

I would not be too hot on this trade.
Keep the pitching.
The lineup is already shaping up with the additions of Pierre and Jones.
Good speed.
With Lee hitting like a monster.
And solid pitching.

They could be good.

But please, dear God, do NOT trade Prior.

Tend to agree with you, but injuries is one reason why I would consider it. The Cubs have a great staff but they never play at the same time.

This screams of a desperation move by the Cubs to appease dissatisfied fans who are clamoring for ANYTHING major to get done

Agreed.
But I have the feeling that it'll piss off more fans than it would please.

I have a deep love for Prior and it would kill me to lose him but I don't think it's as awful as it seems.

Todd, Jock Jones is not an upgrade in the OF offensively.

You're right, best team does.

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This game re-creation illustrates my thoughts on the clubs line-up pretty well: http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/fil ... ned_jones/

right nowq, it doesnt seem horrible, since Prior hates the idea of pitching when healthy...

perhaps if he gets that out of his system, he'd be the pticher everyone says he could be...

but for now, to get a Tejada...thats an awful lot of ribbies not to consider.

Jones is a replacement for Burnitz's numbers (if he can even hit that well), that's about it. Pretty mediocre hitter, pretty good fielder. .250 average over the last two full seasons, with 23 home runs per year. You can get that kind of production from almost any outfielder nowadays...

As for Pierre, very good baserunner, pretty damn good hitter, bad defender, pretty horrid OBA for a leadoff hitter last year (.326?!??!?). I'd say it's a mixed blessing at best.

I like Pierre at the top of the lineup. Big improvement over last year. But yeah I agree on Jones.

to be fair, Podsednik's '04 OBP was .313 and he greatly improved it last season...

Oh shit, is that the Lovely Ladies?

that is if they ever get anyone on-base ahead of him...

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i would hate to trade away pitching. but, if bedard is in the deal, i say do it. yes, prior has potential, but he hasn't had one full season yet. and it's the Cubs trademark to stick with people because they have potential (hello, korey patterson). the lineup as is, is good, not great. having a lineup where you have d-lee, a-ram, tejada - that's scary

also, the bullpen is strengthened. that's huge. if no work was done on the bullpen, then this trade would make no sense. there are rumors of also having zito in some package, and there are other pitchers cubs can try to get (millwood, washburn i believe).

so, IF and only if the cubs manage to get a pitcher in this deal, and/or trade/sign another above average pitcher, then i'm fine with this. i like prior a lot, but if you take the emotion out of it, i think it makes sense.

and jacques jones is not good

I love the idea of Mark Prior, the dude is sick. However, he may never be a totally healthy pitcher. WHile Bedard may not be either, I wager that he could give a team 85% of what Prior could both in stats and in quality/health. Tejada is such an offensive force and such an upgrade, this team would begin to look like the Yankees of the NL. I say do it.

I am soooooooo glad Jones picked the Cubbies over my Royals. I'd much rather give Sanders a 2 year deal than Jones a 3.

You've got to be kidding...you wouldn't trade an injury prone pitcher and a slightly above average at best OF'er for an MVP shortstop with the O's best starter thrown in. Bedard doesn't have the same upside as Prior but given Prior's injury history, I don't think it would be shocking if Bedard ended up having the better career. This trade would be a disaster for the Orioles and I've read that they aren't willing to do the deal with Bedard involved unless they get a top prospect back.

Another version of this trade has

Tejeda going to the cubs
Prior & Corey Patterson going to the Redsox
& Manny Ramierez going to the O's

That would seem to make more sense, but my personal guess is that Tejeda and Ramierez aren't traded.

I'm not buying too much into this either. The O's have never been high on giving up on Bedard; I think Ramirez can veto a trade, and there is no reason he'd come to play in Baltimore, especially if Tejada leaves; and the O's went out and got that catcher from San Diego because he and Tejada are best friends, godfathers of each other's children, best men at their weddings and all that shit.

The O's are so terrified of giving up a young pitcher. I don't see them doing it.

I think the Orioles are allergic to pitching.

Billy, I don't think "O's best starter" is ever gonna be a compliment

6-8 with a 1.38 WHIP? Who cares if he has almost a strikeout an inning, that's mediocre as fuck

There was another version in the paper today of:

manny and jon garland to the orioles
tejada to the cubs
bedard to the white sox
prior to the red sox

they said it was basically a pipe dream though.