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Arroyo was able to pull off a rare duo for a pitcher. He kept the Cubs from getting the ball in the jet stream and put one there himself.

The result was a 9-2 Reds victory before a crowd of 36,708 at Wrigley.

Arroyo pitched seven shutout innings, allowing six hits, no walks and striking out four, to improve to 2-0 with a 1.98 ERA in two starts for the Reds. He has allowed 12 hits and no walks in 132/3 innings.

He became the first Reds pitcher to hit a home run in consecutive starts since Dave Burba in July 1996.

"He's got more home runs than Wily Mo (Peña) so far," Dunn said of the player Arroyo was traded by the Boston Red Sox for last month.

Arroyo hadn't hit a home run since high school before joining the Reds. Now he has two in two games - both off Glendon Rusch, both bombs. Tuesday's cleared Wrigley's new, higher bleachers.


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enjoy the .260 he gives you. ouch.

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yeah, giving up 2 home runs to the same pitcher within a week has got to be hard. fucking rusch.

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Arroyo?


Significa "creek".


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yeah, giving up 2 home runs to the same pitcher within a week has got to be hard. fucking rusch.


don't even get me started about fucking glendon! going 1-13 @ the break in 2003 w/ the crew. fucking rusch.


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Good for him.

Pena apparently can't even catch a ball.

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Good for him.

Pena apparently can't even catch a ball.

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Fuck you, you fucking fuck. Wily Mo will win more games with his bat than he'll have (almost) blown with his lack of glove... Though, to that, I bet the play above owed as much to unfamiliarity with Fenway cum playing sporadically (at this point, covering Trot's ass when dude's too tired after seven innings).


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enjoy the .260 he gives you. ouch.


fuck man if he gets me 40/100/100 (which he def will) I don't care if he hits .190. I have a ton of other guys to keep my average high.


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Good for him.

Pena apparently can't even catch a ball.

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Fuck you, you fucking fuck. Wily Mo will win more games with his bat than he'll have (almost) blown with his lack of glove... Though, to that, I bet the play above owed as much to unfamiliarity with Fenway cum playing sporadically (at this point, covering Trot's ass when dude's too tired after seven innings).


haha you have roid rage.

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knoblauch, p.i. Wrote:
shiv Wrote:
Good for him.

Pena apparently can't even catch a ball.

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Fuck you, you fucking fuck. Wily Mo will win more games with his bat than he'll have (almost) blown with his lack of glove... Though, to that, I bet the play above owed as much to unfamiliarity with Fenway cum playing sporadically (at this point, covering Trot's ass when dude's too tired after seven innings).


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Pretty solid outing by Pena tonight, in spite of Wells shitting the bed early


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yeah, fucking wells. they should just go with a 4 man rotation and ship his ass to SD and get a halfway decent middle reliever.

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I was actually annoyed when the reds traded Pena. I think that the GAB is a pitcher's graveyard (like Coors Field).

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WILY MO!!!!!!!!!!


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Can I just make a reminder note of how awesome Arroyo is doing?


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yeah, and anyone want to revise the 40/100/100 prediction for WMP?


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billy g on March 22, 2006 Wrote:
I still don't understand why the Redsox would rather have Willy Mo than Arroyo. Granted he was slated for the BP now, but with the age of Shilling & Wells and the likelihood that at least one of those two and/or Beckett will miss time due to an injury at some point in the year you would think Arroyo would be someone they would want to keep.


I stand by that, but that rook pitched a good game against the yankees the other day.

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I was against trading Arroyo, but I doubt his season would have been as good if he'd stayed. He was busy trying to be a rock star in Boston and his attention was divided. Plus he reportedly was uncomfortable with the intensity of fan emotion and personal scrutiny/worship/hatred that happens in the Red Sox market.


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billy g on March 22, 2006 Wrote:
I still don't understand why the Redsox would rather have Willy Mo than Arroyo. Granted he was slated for the BP now, but with the age of Shilling & Wells and the likelihood that at least one of those two and/or Beckett will miss time due to an injury at some point in the year you would think Arroyo would be someone they would want to keep.


I stand by that, but that rook pitched a good game against the yankees the other day.


You do it to plan for the future. They didn't expect Clement to be as awful as he is, while Wells as been out the whole time, as well as Beckett having his issues.

In spite of all of that they have led the division for the majority of the year, and have Manny's replacement (and no, he will not be Manny, but there is only one Manny) coming up to speed nicely. They sacrificed the present to plan for the future. The Arroyo/Pena trade is in Red's favor this year, but I am convinced that 5 years from now it will not be close


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billy g on March 22, 2006 Wrote:
I still don't understand why the Redsox would rather have Willy Mo than Arroyo. Granted he was slated for the BP now, but with the age of Shilling & Wells and the likelihood that at least one of those two and/or Beckett will miss time due to an injury at some point in the year you would think Arroyo would be someone they would want to keep.


I stand by that, but that rook pitched a good game against the yankees the other day.


You do it to plan for the future. They didn't expect Clement to be as awful as he is, while Wells as been out the whole time, as well as Beckett having his issues.

In spite of all of that they have led the division for the majority of the year, and have Manny's replacement (and no, he will not be Manny, but there is only one Manny) coming up to speed nicely. They sacrificed the present to plan for the future. The Arroyo/Pena trade is in Red's favor this year, but I am convinced that 5 years from now it will not be close


I suppose there's a chance Willy Mo develops into a stud player -- he's got talent no doubt and no one would have predicted that Ortiz would be the monster he is before the Sox picked him up -- still I doubt he's ever going to be great. And if he isn't, Corner outfielders who can hit 25-30 homers with lots of strikeouts and a mediocre average grow on trees, starters capable of winning 15 games don't.

There's a reason why people say you can never have enough starting pitching. Maybe sox fans are surprised that Clement has been bad as he has been, wells has been hurt and beckett's having problems adjusting to the american league. I'm not surprised by any of these really though. To me its more surprising that Shilling has rebounded as strongly as he has. I think its was pretty forseable that they would have some issues with starting pitching even if you couldn't be sure which ones. The redsox will be in the race for the playoffs all year but not having enough starting pitching could be a difference maker.

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I suppose there's a chance Willy Mo develops into a stud player -- he's got talent no doubt and no one would have predicted that Ortiz would be the monster he is before the Sox picked him up -- still I doubt he's ever going to be great. And if he isn't, Corner outfielders who can hit 25-30 homers with lots of strikeouts and a mediocre average grow on trees


lol, have you watched Wily Mo this year? Papa Jack and the resto of the Sox coaches / players influence on him has been astounding. For reference, this is his line

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SEASON    TEAM    G    AB    R    H    2B    3B    HR    RBI    BB    SO    SB    CS    AVG    OBP    SLG    OPS
2006    Bos    36    112    12    36    6    0    4    18    10    37    0    0    .321    .370    .482    .852


He is a huge reason they have led the AL East, with Coco out he saved the first third of the season. Wily Mo is a different player than the last few years. As for the Arroyo factor, he has been considerably better with the Reds than with the Sox previously, a combo of NL and change of environment.


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I'll admit the average is higher than I expected but multiply his stats by 5 for a full season and you have a 20 hr hitter with 185 k's. I'm not that impressed

And of course, Arroyo's doing a lot better in the NL...every pitcher does. I'm just saying he would be around a 15 game winner for the sox if in the rotation for a full season. I think that's more valuable than willy mo.

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Arroyo has been much better than expected, but he's also been pitching against some of the poorer offenses in baseball. He's faced the Cubs 3 times and Washington twice. His one really impressive outing was against STL (CG, 1 ER), but he got knocked around by them the other time he faced them. Also, to his credit, he does have 2 very good starts vs. middle-of-the-pack MIL. He held his own against ARI, but was still pretty average.

I think his numbers will rise somewhat, especially if he faces some tougher competition. But, then again, with the luxury of an unbalanced schedule and being in the NL central, he might be able to keep his overall numbers looking good.

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Los Angeles Dodgers .280 332 578 60 111 17 322 52 .361 .438 4.07 541 180 386 13 1.35
Cincinnati Reds .264 319 545 85 124 7 303 49 .350 .455 4.28 565 159 390 16 1.35
Atlanta Braves .265 314 560 76 105 14 305 28 .331 .436 4.64 583 202 369 14 1.44
Arizona Diamondbacks .272 312 566 58 125 14 297 30 .338 .430 4.10 546 192 415 16 1.38
Philadelphia Phillies .257 300 526 78 112 11 284 33 .336 .437 4.44 578 194 399 19 1.44
St. Louis Cardinals .274 296 550 59 102 9 283 24 .346 .422 3.96 516 185 322 19 1.32
San Francisco Giants .263 295 533 53 98 25 275 15 .340 .415 4.36 515 216 337 12 1.36
New York Mets .260 295 548 78 115 12 283 59 .329 .438 3.89 498 204 466 14 1.27
Milwaukee Brewers .268 292 552 83 124 6 275 33 .337 .455 5.13 555 219 429 17 1.44
Pittsburgh Pirates .264 283 554 69 108 7 268 26 .330 .421 4.69 600 233 410 10 1.55
Washington Nationals .256 275 529 74 102 7 258 33 .327 .420 4.26 515 236 371 12 1.39
Houston Astros .254 272 528 65 104 8 260 28 .330 .406 4.71 579 195 401 17 1.40
Florida Marlins .260 266 506 56 111 13 253 45 .331 .416 4.66 518 221 359 8 1.47
San Diego Padres .253 266 516 50 102 12 250 48 .323 .389 3.99 500 170 405 14 1.24
Colorado Rockies .265 250 527 55 116 20 235 24 .332 .426 4.35 542 203 352 14 1.43
Chicago Cubs .254 231 507 45 84 16 214 42 .308 .380 4.68 482 257 446 10 1.42


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Date Opponent Score Dec IP H R ER HR BB K W L SV IP ERA
Jun 8 CHC W 7-1 W 7.0 5 1 1 1 0 3 8 2 0 89.2 2.31
Jun 3 @ HOU W 7-5 W 6.0 8 2 0 0 1 6 7 2 0 82.2 2.40
Date Opponent Score Dec IP H R ER HR BB K W L SV IP ERA
May 28 ARI W 5-4 - 6.0 7 4 4 0 3 6 6 2 0 76.2 2.58
May 22 MIL W 15-5 W 7.0 6 1 1 0 0 6 6 2 0 70.2 2.29
May 17 @ PIT L 2-7 L 6.0 9 4 4 1 2 4 5 2 0 63.2 2.40
May 11 WAS W 5-4 - 8.0 6 0 0 0 1 8 5 1 0 57.2 2.03
May 6 @ ARI L 1-3 L 6.0 11 3 3 0 1 1 5 1 0 49.2 2.36
May 1 STL W 6-1 W 9.0 4 1 1 1 3 4 5 0 0 43.2 2.06
Date Opponent Score Dec IP H R ER HR BB K W L SV IP ERA
Apr 26 @ WAS W 5-0 W 8.0 1 0 0 0 2 8 4 0 0 34.2 2.34
Apr 21 @ MIL W 3-1 W 8.0 6 1 1 1 2 8 3 0 0 26.2 3.04
Apr 16 @ STL L 7-8 - 5.0 6 5 5 2 3 3 2 0 0 18.2 3.86
Apr 11 @ CHC W 9-2 W 7.0 6 0 0 0 0 4 2 0 0 13.2 1.98
Apr 5 CHC W 8-6 W 6.2 6 5 3 2 0 7 1 0 0 6.2 4.05
Season Total 89.2 81 27 23 8 18 68 8 2 0 0 2.31


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billy g Wrote:
I'll admit the average is higher than I expected but multiply his stats by 5 for a full season and you have a 20 hr hitter with 185 k's. I'm not that impressed

And of course, Arroyo's doing a lot better in the NL...every pitcher does. I'm just saying he would be around a 15 game winner for the sox if in the rotation for a full season. I think that's more valuable than willy mo.


He has been good, and there is NO reason to say he will not be better. Honestly, watching him develop has been awesome...I would love to see a chart of his pitches per at bat vs. time. Remember, he is 23 or so, VERY young.

Many have said he has the best power of ANY player ever.

Hey, I hope Arroyo does well...he is a good player. The weird thing is that people look for traded players to do poorly. Realistically, the best thing that can happen for the Red Sox is for Arroyo to do well, such that they gain a reputation for being 'fair' traders


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