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Galldangit! Minnesota would be carryin' that trophy home agin' if it weren't for that newfangled forward pass commie bullshit!

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Galldangit! Minnesota would be carryin' that trophy home agin' if it weren't for that newfangled forward pass commie bullshit!


Yeah, the Minnesota comment really made me laugh.
They lead the all-time series versus Nebraska 29-20-2, but since 1960 Nebraska has won 14 straight. Surprisingly, they haven't played since 1990 after Minnesota finished their last two game series versus the Huskers without scoring a point. The combined scoring for the two games was 102-0.

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FT: Georgia Tech beats the Notre Dame in the first game.


Ordinarily, I'd be wary, but I fear absolutely NO team "coached" by CHAN GAILEY. Let's not forget I witnessed his deft touch first-hand during his years at the helm of my beloved Dallas Cowboys, and while he may be able to squeeze out enough wins against middle-rung ACC teams to end up with a bowl bid, he shan't be claiming victory in South Bend. No. Fucking. Way.

Now, if UGA were coming to town, I seriously would be worried...

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Yeah, Minnesota is a fucking powerhouse.

What I'm saying is that the Big 10 is full of overrated teams that are in the Top 10 early in the season, only to finish with 6-7 wins. That means you Purdue, Minnesota, Michigan State, Wisconsin, every once in a while Northwestern, sometimes Iowa and lately Michigan. That's half the conference.

Also, the argument is made to apply to a change to a Tournament system. Therefore, your argument that we throw out Texas, LSU, USC, Tennessee, Florida & FSU is faulty, because those teams all had double digit wins, not 7 like the Big Ten.


My point was not that the Big 10 deserves special consideration for merely being the big 10 or for it's past NC's. I was perfectly aware of when Minnesotas championships were and that they have sucked ass for quite some time. That was also not my point, rather I was taking issue with this statement:

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Do teams like Wisconsin (or feel free to insert any other Big 10 flavor of the week) actually deserve a chance to win any title outside of Division II? Of course not.


I don't think anyone would argue that a 10-3 (their record last year) wisconsin team shouldn't be playing for a championship in the current bowl system. However you didn't qualify your above statement with what should happen if a team like wisconsin were to go undefeated and therefore you seem to be implying that if a second tier Big 10 team did go undefeated or with one loss or whatever, it would be unworthy of consideration in a bowl or tournament system. I don't really understand that line of reasoning unless you just like ragging on Big 10 teams.

A good example would have been Penn State last year. Certainly most didn't expect them to have gone 11-1. Or even better, Auburn the year before, who had a preason ranking of what? like around 10 or so iirc. Not to mention that they hadn't won a title since '56 and they last time they had won more than 9 games was '93. So at what point are you going to start precluding teams ex-ante?

Any team from a major conference (even the Big East, yeah I said it) is deserving of a shot at the title given an appropriate regular season record. Of course in the current system only two teams (really) get a shot at the title, but dismissing certain confrences out of hand is wrong imo.

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crap, I killed the college football thread.

Quick, someone revive it.

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one of the teams playing for the NC at the end of the season will have started outside the preason top 10. T or F?

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I think CFN's initial Penn State ranking (#22) is about right IMHO.

If I had my way:
16-team tournament with conference champions + at-large bids using BCS system. Independents are automatically in if they finish top 16. Teams are seeded by BCS results. First two rounds are at the high seed's home field. Semis, 3rd place, and Championship game revolve around Fiesta/Orange/Sugar/Rose. Remaining bowls game are consolation games for the 12 tournament teams and/or revenue generators for other programs. No other conference tie-ins. No conference championship games, and it is the responsibility of each conference to figure out how best to re-align given the setup.

That is all.

EDIT: Did I mention a 3rd place game? (Twice)


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I think CFN's initial Penn State ranking (#22) is about right IMHO.

If I had my way:
16-team tournament with conference champions + at-large bids using BCS system. Independents are automatically in if they finish top 16. Teams are seeded by BCS results. First two rounds are at the high seed's home field. Semis, 3rd place, and Championship game and 3rd place game revolve around Fiesta/Orange/Sugar/Rose. Remaining bowls game are consolation games for the 12 tournament teams and/or revenue generators for other programs. No other conference tie-ins. No conference championship games, and it is the responsibility of each conference to figure out how best to re-align given the setup.

That is all.


Sure you wouldn't just rather have a pony, Sketch? :lol:

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No way. Ponies die. This system would make me IMMORTAL... until it got sacked.


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I think if they went to a playoff system, they should eliminate conferences, switch to regions and relegate a few teams down to I-AA, like most of the MAC, Conference USA, Sun Belt, WAC and MVC. Teams like Baylor, Vanderbilt, Duke, Indiana from major conferences would have to earn their way back into the Division I by qualifying for the I-AA tournament.
For example, Nebraska and Iowa State would join Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern and Missouri in one region. Most regions should be eight teams, and each team would have to play four opponents from different regions.

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I also think they need to bring back the Kickoff and Pigskin Classic games. I know they got rid of them due to the permanent 12th game, but I think they need one or two pre-season bowl games with some money on the line. You could have the two teams everyone wanted to see in the title game play in one and then two teams that are suppose to have outstanding years after a mediocre season.

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I think if they went to a playoff system, they should eliminate conferences, switch to regions and relegate a few teams down to I-AA, like most of the MAC, Conference USA, Sun Belt, WAC and MVC. Teams like Baylor, Vanderbilt, Duke, Indiana from major conferences would have to earn their way back into the Division I by qualifying for the I-AA tournament.
For example, Nebraska and Iowa State would join Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern and Missouri in one region. Most regions should be eight teams, and each team would have to play four opponents from different regions.


There's a guy I listen to on the radio here who has this all figured out. Lots of teams dont get to play "Big Boy" football anymore--in fact its almost like the English Premier League.

I believe he has it down to 64 teams; 4, 16 Team "superconferences", the conference championship games are essentially the first round of an eight team playoff.

And if a team like Notre Dame doesnt want to play in a conference or have its TV deal, fine--but you dont play big boy football anymore.

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FT: Georgia Tech beats the Notre Dame in the first game.


Ordinarily, I'd be wary, but I fear absolutely NO team "coached" by CHAN GAILEY. Let's not forget I witnessed his deft touch first-hand during his years at the helm of my beloved Dallas Cowboys, and while he may be able to squeeze out enough wins against middle-rung ACC teams to end up with a bowl bid, he shan't be claiming victory in South Bend. No. Fucking. Way.


The thing is that Tech plays well in these early season games--to wit, they have beaten Auburn twice in recent years. Also:

1. Chan isnt calling plays anymore.
2. Tech's defense is serious business.
3. ND's defense is sketchy.
4. Reggie Ball sucks dick at QB, but The Irish have no answer for Calvin Johnson at wideout. None.

(sidenote: Calvin going to Tech over Georgia STILL pains me. I'm not the kind of person who gets into 'cruitin', but it really pained me when this kid (who went to HS in Tyrone where I live) picked Tech. Motherfucker.)

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I think if they went to a playoff system, they should eliminate conferences, switch to regions and relegate a few teams down to I-AA, like most of the MAC, Conference USA, Sun Belt, WAC and MVC. Teams like Baylor, Vanderbilt, Duke, Indiana from major conferences would have to earn their way back into the Division I by qualifying for the I-AA tournament.
For example, Nebraska and Iowa State would join Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern and Missouri in one region. Most regions should be eight teams, and each team would have to play four opponents from different regions.


There's a guy I listen to on the radio here who has this all figured out. Lots of teams dont get to play "Big Boy" football anymore--in fact its almost like the English Premier League.

I like it being paired down to 64 from 117, but 16 team superconferences would never fit in with the 12 game season. You wouldn't play four teams from your conference in a year, that is way too many. I'd rather have Eight regions of Eight teams, You could do all SO CAL/AZ/Nevada and possibly Hawaii in one. Northern Cal/Pacific Northwest. Mountain(Utah, New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho. Texas/Oklahoma/Kansas. The North Central one I described earlier. Iron Belt/Northeast, Appalachian/Mid Atlantic and a Southern region.

I believe he has it down to 64 teams; 4, 16 Team "superconferences", the conference championship games are essentially the first round of an eight team playoff.

And if a team like Notre Dame doesnt want to play in a conference or have its TV deal, fine--but you dont play big boy football anymore.

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Calvin Johnson has great hands, but there is something about the way he sets himself up at the line of scimage that rubs me the wrong way . . . it's very fey:

http://www.kittenpants.org/33_notblog/calvin_lg.jpg

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I'm bumping this thread again, so it doesn't die yet.

Who do you play first and when?
Nebraska plays Louisiana Tech at 2:30 CST on Fox Sports Net on September 2nd. The last time these two played, Tim Rattay threw for 590yds and four touchdowns in a 56-27 loss to the Huskers in 1998. Troy Edwards had 405yds of receiving.

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I think it's gonna be a up year for the SEC. The only thing keeping me from making bold predictions about LSU is our road schedule. Our Defense will be filthy. Maybe not as filthy when we won the NC but close.

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I think it's gonna be a up year for the SEC. The only thing keeping me from making bold predictions about LSU is our road schedule. Our Defense will be filthy. Maybe not as filthy when we won the NC but close.


Without Nebraska making a name for your current Defense coordinator, he'd probably still be a position coach in the NFL.

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I think it's gonna be a up year for the SEC. The only thing keeping me from making bold predictions about LSU is our road schedule. Our Defense will be filthy. Maybe not as filthy when we won the NC but close.


Without Nebraska making a name for your current Defense coordinator, he'd probably still be a position coach in the NFL.


There was obviously an adjustment period last year with changing systems, and people have high expectations because Saban is a defensive genius.But he had it going by season's end. But I think this defense is more talented than last year.

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I agree with Derris. Pre-Season polls are bullshit. Don't even get me started on the fact that they how heavily they weigh in on the BCS. All they are good for is people like us. They give us fodder to talk about and get the fanbase excited about the coming season.

RE: UGA QB situation. Terishinski blows donkey ass. Nuff said.

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I agree with Derris. Pre-Season polls are bullshit. Don't even get me started on the fact that they how heavily they weigh in on the BCS. All they are good for is people like us. They give us fodder to talk about and get the fanbase excited about the coming season.

RE: UGA QB situation. Terishinski blows donkey ass. Nuff said.


I agree that the AP and ESPN/USA Today Poll should wait until about the fourth week before they actually publish their first poll, since they do impact the BCS and teams like Auburn a few years back get screwed over by the process, but polls like the ones CFN, Athlon, Phil Steele, etc do aren't impacting the BCS are made exclusively for the reasons you stated. They give everyone an idea where the so-called experts think their team will finish. I wish more of these publications would do preseason bowl predicitons.

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54. Kansas State Kansas State Prevew
Predicted Finish: 4-8 2005 Predicted Finish: 6-5 2005 Record: 5-6
The new excitement surrounding Ron Prince and the new coaching staff, along with the air of mystery about what this team really might be like, makes Kansas State one of the wild-cards in the Big 12 race. The receiving corps can fly, the defense will likely go to an even more aggressive than before scheme, and there are plenty of interesting options to work with in the offensive backfield. While the lines need at least a year of seasoning and several major position battles still need to be settled, a little bit of tweaking and a little more production could mean a winning season and a bowl game.
Relative Strengths: running back, linebacker Relative Weaknesses: offensive line, secondary

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54. Kansas State Kansas State Prevew
Predicted Finish: 4-8 2005 Predicted Finish: 6-5 2005 Record: 5-6

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