Cool Hand Fu Wrote:
Yeah, Minnesota is a fucking powerhouse.
What I'm saying is that the Big 10 is full of overrated teams that are in the Top 10 early in the season, only to finish with 6-7 wins. That means you Purdue, Minnesota, Michigan State, Wisconsin, every once in a while Northwestern, sometimes Iowa and lately Michigan. That's half the conference.
Also, the argument is made to apply to a change to a Tournament system. Therefore, your argument that we throw out Texas, LSU, USC, Tennessee, Florida & FSU is faulty, because those teams all had double digit wins, not 7 like the Big Ten.
My point was not that the Big 10 deserves special consideration for merely being the big 10 or for it's past NC's. I was perfectly aware of when Minnesotas championships were and that they have sucked ass for quite some time. That was also not my point, rather I was taking issue with this statement:
Cool Hand Fu Wrote:
Do teams like Wisconsin (or feel free to insert any other Big 10 flavor of the week) actually deserve a chance to win any title outside of Division II? Of course not.
I don't think anyone would argue that a 10-3 (their record last year) wisconsin team shouldn't be playing for a championship in the current bowl system. However you didn't qualify your above statement with what should happen if a team like wisconsin were to go undefeated and therefore you seem to be implying that if a second tier Big 10 team did go undefeated or with one loss or whatever, it would be unworthy of consideration in a bowl or tournament system. I don't really understand that line of reasoning unless you just like ragging on Big 10 teams.
A good example would have been Penn State last year. Certainly most didn't expect them to have gone 11-1. Or even better, Auburn the year before, who had a preason ranking of what? like around 10 or so iirc. Not to mention that they hadn't won a title since '56 and they last time they had won more than 9 games was '93. So at what point are you going to start precluding teams ex-ante?
Any team from a major conference (even the Big East, yeah I said it) is deserving of a shot at the title given an appropriate regular season record. Of course in the current system only two teams (really) get a shot at the title, but dismissing certain confrences out of hand is wrong imo.