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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/nyregion/04civic.html

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Thanks for posting that, I didn't see it all over the news all day.

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a) just because you take away the firearms, doesn't mean things won't happen. Take your country for instance--just a simple internet search turned up:
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In the year 2002/2003, over 85% of firearms used to commit murder were unregistered. In 1997-1999, more than 80% of the handguns confiscated were never legally purchased or registered in Australia. Knives are used up to 3 times as often as firearms in robberies. The majority of firearm related deaths are suicides, of which many involved the use of 'hunting rifles'.



b) Your gun laws are similar:
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State laws govern the possession and use of firearms in Australia. These laws were largely aligned under the 1996 National Agreement on Fireams. Anyone wishing to possess or use a firearm must have a Firearms Licence and, with some exceptions, be over the age of 18. Owners must have secure storage for their firearms.

Before someone can buy a firearm, he or she must obtain a Permit To Acquire. The first permit has a mandatory 28 day delay before it is first issued. In some states (e.g. Queensland, Victoria, and New South Wales), this is waived for second and subsequent firearms of the same class. For each firearm a "Genuine Reason" must be given, relating to pest control, hunting, target shooting, or collecting. Self-defence is not accepted as a reason for issuing a licence, though it may be legal under certain circumstances to use a legally-held firearm for self-defence.

Each firearm in Australia must be registered to the owner by serial number. Some states allow an owner to store or borrow another person's registered firearm of the same category.

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Though it does seem most of the non-drug/non-gang shootings involve registered weapons.

Stressed-out nutjobs are a bit too prevalent in American culture.

Not that I know what to do about it other than to gun them down in a civic center or something.


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if there was an easy solution to the problem...
besides, who *really* thinks that murderous rampages are the result of too-lax gun laws in this country? when people have no coping skills or available counseling, this is the kind of shit that happens.
just this week around these parts, a woman took her son to an emergency crisis center. he had just been released from prison, was bi-polar, off his meds, and had started drinking. she couldnt afford the cost of the treatment/help, so she left. the next day, he disappeared. a day or so later, he pulls into a courthouse parking lot, walks up to 2 officers, says 'this is a stolen car, and i'm pretty sure i killed the owner.'
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Another American Gun Massacre made a name for themselves at the side stage at Coachella.

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Not to seem unsympathetic to the victims of this senseless crime, but I'm always a bit surprised that it's when this happens that people get riled up about gun laws. Americans die everyday at the hands of gun violence, and really this is just a very small percentage of gun related deaths in America. I'm pretty sure that I'm more likely to get shot as an incident to a mugging than some wacko going murder/suicide in a classroom.

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Thanks for posting that, I didn't see it all over the news all day.

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a) just because you take away the firearms, doesn't mean things won't happen. Take your country for instance--just a simple internet search turned up:
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In the year 2002/2003, over 85% of firearms used to commit murder were unregistered. In 1997-1999, more than 80% of the handguns confiscated were never legally purchased or registered in Australia. Knives are used up to 3 times as often as firearms in robberies. The majority of firearm related deaths are suicides, of which many involved the use of 'hunting rifles'.



b) Your gun laws are similar:
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State laws govern the possession and use of firearms in Australia. These laws were largely aligned under the 1996 National Agreement on Fireams. Anyone wishing to possess or use a firearm must have a Firearms Licence and, with some exceptions, be over the age of 18. Owners must have secure storage for their firearms.

Before someone can buy a firearm, he or she must obtain a Permit To Acquire. The first permit has a mandatory 28 day delay before it is first issued. In some states (e.g. Queensland, Victoria, and New South Wales), this is waived for second and subsequent firearms of the same class. For each firearm a "Genuine Reason" must be given, relating to pest control, hunting, target shooting, or collecting. Self-defence is not accepted as a reason for issuing a licence, though it may be legal under certain circumstances to use a legally-held firearm for self-defence.

Each firearm in Australia must be registered to the owner by serial number. Some states allow an owner to store or borrow another person's registered firearm of the same category.


Excuse me, legal eagle, but it's goddamn impossible to acquire a license here if you don't have a farm. And even then, it's a fucking 303, basic shotgun or similar.

I don't mean to sound like a left-winger cocksucker, but hot shit you guys have to do something.

And I'm pretty sure that after the Port Arthur Massacre, the laws were stringently tightened, and nothing even vaguely similar has happened since.

Of course this doesn't take into account the fact that American Culture breeds and breathes Psychopaths, but it would go a long fucking way.

It's funny, because (I've met quite a few Americans in my time, though obviously not as many as you fine people) Australians seem infinitely more violent to me, but we don't kill people all that often. We just beat the shit out of them, punch them in the back, kick them while they're down and crush beer pots into their faces.

If nothing else, I at least admire your conviction and ability to see something through.

But, on top of all of this. We don't have any fucking gun shops. Anywhere. I wouldn't even know where to get one if I was going to off myself.

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I don't mean to sound like a left-winger cocksucker.


But you do, so pipe down and enjoy the mouthful.

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Mick the Stripper Wrote:
I don't mean to sound like a left-winger cocksucker.


But you do, so pipe down and enjoy the mouthful.


Shoot me, pig fucker.

If you believe in the constitutional right for every dirt-brained shit-licker in your piss-stained country to "BEAR ARMS", then you're a fucking idiot.

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Mick the Stripper Wrote:
Yail Bloor Wrote:
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I don't mean to sound like a left-winger cocksucker.


But you do, so pipe down and enjoy the mouthful.


Shoot me, pig fucker.

If you believe in the constitutional right for every dirt-brained shit-licker in your piss-stained country to "BEAR ARMS", then you're a fucking idiot.


So we should only apply constitutional rights to certain classes of people?

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The pig fucker dirt brained shit licker piss stained class? We might need to narrow it down more.


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Kingfish Wrote:
Mick the Stripper Wrote:
Yail Bloor Wrote:
Mick the Stripper Wrote:
I don't mean to sound like a left-winger cocksucker.


But you do, so pipe down and enjoy the mouthful.


Shoot me, pig fucker.

If you believe in the constitutional right for every dirt-brained shit-licker in your piss-stained country to "BEAR ARMS", then you're a fucking idiot.


So we should only apply constitutional rights to certain classes of people?


This has nothing to do with the argument.

If you need to own a gun, you are allowed to own a gun. Simple enough?

Even this rule can be bent, but it at least skims away a lot of the scum from the top. It's a start. For one, it closes a lot of gun stores (which is where the problem lies: the readily and widely available caches of earth-scorching shit you guys have).

And there is no need for fully automatic weapons or handguns. Take that self defense shit and stick it.

(To clarify: I am a gun owner.)

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Mick, the problem is that a lot of those bred and breathing psychopaths are the ones that NEED a gun, see?

Like the missing chromosome mutant who killed 9 people just south of me - his sorry ass pig fuckin daddy was a sorry ass pig fuckin farmer (who probably still used a rotary phone) therefore under your genius system, he still would have a had a gat.

I know...let's just let the cops and the Army have guns - it worked so well when we were ruled by the fucking Crown.

The reason the Constitution is so sacred and powerful is that it aims to apply the rule of law uniformly across all class and racial guidelines...which is why you see states like Iowa struggling with gay marriage - to mix an argument - because the shit ain't really illegal.

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If you need to own a gun, you are allowed to own a gun. Simple enough?


And why do you "need" a gun?

How about we limit free speech to those who "need" it or the right to vote to those who "need" it.

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That fucking Pittsburgh cop killer is gonna fry.


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i just stepped in here to say that if PETA has their way, being a pig fucker would not be a bad thing at all.

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Kingfish Wrote:
Mick the Stripper Wrote:
Yail Bloor Wrote:
Mick the Stripper Wrote:
I don't mean to sound like a left-winger cocksucker.


But you do, so pipe down and enjoy the mouthful.


Shoot me, pig fucker.

If you believe in the constitutional right for every dirt-brained shit-licker in your piss-stained country to "BEAR ARMS", then you're a fucking idiot.


So we should only apply constitutional rights to certain classes of people?


that was the intention of the constitution, but liberal fags keep interpreting it as everyone.

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jewels santana Wrote:
Kingfish Wrote:
Mick the Stripper Wrote:
Yail Bloor Wrote:
Mick the Stripper Wrote:
I don't mean to sound like a left-winger cocksucker.


But you do, so pipe down and enjoy the mouthful.


Shoot me, pig fucker.

If you believe in the constitutional right for every dirt-brained shit-licker in your piss-stained country to "BEAR ARMS", then you're a fucking idiot.


So we should only apply constitutional rights to certain classes of people?


that was the intention of the constitution, but liberal fags keep interpreting it as everyone.


Huh? I guess you're attempting to say that it excluded both blacks and women. Sorry, but that was AMENDED and not "interpreted." The liberal fags failed to interpret it to give Slave rights and that resulted in this thing called the Civil War.

Or I guess your trying to make some sort of reference to homosexual rights. Which I'm in total agreement with you that the Constitution protects them, but I don't think it was the "intention" of the Constitution to say either way when it was drafted.

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I want handguns and automatics banned for the public.

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i didn't put a whole lot of thought into that joke comment.

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i didn't put a whole lot of thought into that joke comment.


there's always the next tragedy

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