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I'm not sure why Alabama isn't #1 or at worst, #2. They've got the VT win on the resume and have destroyed everyone else.

But this will be answered this week. Fla's first test, and Bama plays Ole Miss on the road. If Fla loses and Bama wins, I think Bama will ascend to number 1.


Yeah but then Les will cry that the Tigres aren't number one.


Which will also play itself out when the Tigers play Bama.

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I'm not sure why Alabama isn't #1 or at worst, #2. They've got the VT win on the resume and have destroyed everyone else.

But this will be answered this week. Fla's first test, and Bama plays Ole Miss on the road. If Fla loses and Bama wins, I think Bama will ascend to number 1.


Yeah but then Les will cry that the Tigres aren't number one.


Which will also play itself out when the Tigers play Bama.

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Cincinnati versus the loser of the SEC Championship game in the Sugar.
Temple in a Bowl game?
I wouldn't mind seeing that Holiday Bowl match up for Nebraska against Stanford and the Tree.


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I'm not sure anyone wants to see a rematch of Cincinnati and Virginia Tech in the Orange Bowl this year.
Notre Dame losing to Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl would be entertaining, but the Broncos couldn't claim a share of the title with a win over the Irish.
The Utah vs Idaho game in the Humanitarian Bowl seems like a recipe for disaster in regards to television ratings.
If Florida State does play Penn State in the Champs Sports bowl the losing coach should be forced to retire.


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Helluva game, Marco. Locker is a bad ass. Really like Sark's sideline demeanor. OT awaits...


A game UW should've won. What was with that reversal on the TD call? Was that really indisputable video evidence? No way. That was 6.

Granted, UW still should have been able to punch it in---nice goal line D by the Irish. But if that TD was counted as it should have been, game over.

Oh well. Still like how the team is competing this year so far.


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Helluva game, Marco. Locker is a bad ass. Really like Sark's sideline demeanor. OT awaits...


A game UW should've won. What was with that reversal on the TD call? Was that really indisputable video evidence? No way. That was 6.

Granted, UW still should have been able to punch it in---nice goal line D by the Irish. But if that TD was counted as it should have been, game over.

Oh well. Still like how the team is competing this year so far.


Yeah, UW definitely played well enough to win.

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That celebrating penalty on aj was bullshit, but I thought LSU deserved a safety on cox too. Helluva game.


Everybody wants to blame UGA's coaches for their various ills, but this one is on the players: the coaches made the adjustments to get them back in the game.

Lotta talent on the field today though and like you say, helluva game. Congrats to your squad.


Helluva game if you only tuned in for the last 5 minutes. For most of the day that shit was ugly. On both teams. The AJ call was utter horseshit and that whole rule is ruining college football. It turned out to kill us but we only have ourselves to blame because our kickoff and punt return teams are an embarassment.

The fact is, we are an average team this year with some great talent and probably won't be favored in any game the rest of the year save Vandy, UK, and Tenn Tech.

Bloor, I agree about the players. The D simply didn't make the plays in the final minute but Bobo called a HORRIBLE game. How many times were we in a 3rd and 8 or 3rd and 11 situation? 8? 9 times?

Richt needs to make some serious changes at staff or I will start to question where his head is at. The great coaches see the problem and fix it. You can't tell me that there isn't another Van Gorder somewhere in America that would LOVE to come to UGA (enter Bobo equivalent here as well). This teams is just fatally inconsistent at so many areas to not have the spotlight shined brightly on the coaching staff.

Top 5 most gut wrenching losses I've witnessed in Sanford stadium.

At least the LSU folks I talked to at the bars after the game were pretty cool and they certainly were humble about getting out of there with the win.


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I'm not sure anyone wants to see a rematch of Cincinnati and Virginia Tech in the Orange Bowl this year.
Notre Dame losing to Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl would be entertaining, but the Broncos couldn't claim a share of the title with a win over the Irish.
The Utah vs Idaho game in the Humanitarian Bowl seems like a recipe for disaster in regards to television ratings.
If Florida State does play Penn State in the Champs Sports bowl the losing coach should be forced to retire.


wow, who gives a shit about bowl projections in week 5


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That celebrating penalty on aj was bullshit, but I thought LSU deserved a safety on cox too. Helluva game.


Everybody wants to blame UGA's coaches for their various ills, but this one is on the players: the coaches made the adjustments to get them back in the game.

Lotta talent on the field today though and like you say, helluva game. Congrats to your squad.


Helluva game if you only tuned in for the last 5 minutes. For most of the day that shit was ugly. On both teams. The AJ call was utter horseshit and that whole rule is ruining college football. It turned out to kill us but we only have ourselves to blame because our kickoff and punt return teams are an embarassment.

The fact is, we are an average team this year with some great talent and probably won't be favored in any game the rest of the year save Vandy, UK, and Tenn Tech.

Bloor, I agree about the players. The D simply didn't make the plays in the final minute but Bobo called a HORRIBLE game. How many times were we in a 3rd and 8 or 3rd and 11 situation? 8? 9 times?

Richt needs to make some serious changes at staff or I will start to question where his head is at. The great coaches see the problem and fix it. You can't tell me that there isn't another Van Gorder somewhere in America that would LOVE to come to UGA (enter Bobo equivalent here as well). This teams is just fatally inconsistent at so many areas to not have the spotlight shined brightly on the coaching staff.

Top 5 most gut wrenching losses I've witnessed in Sanford stadium.

At least the LSU folks I talked to at the bars after the game were pretty cool and they certainly were humble about getting out of there with the win.


At what point does the UGA fanbase start to turn on Richt?

I think he's a good coach, but he's failed to really capitalize on opportunities (AKA the Zook years). And the program seems like it's not getting better anymore.

Of course, it's been said about LSU - "a perfect season, is LSU goes unbeaten and unscored upon and they fire the coach."

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That celebrating penalty on aj was bullshit, but I thought LSU deserved a safety on cox too. Helluva game.


Everybody wants to blame UGA's coaches for their various ills, but this one is on the players: the coaches made the adjustments to get them back in the game.

Lotta talent on the field today though and like you say, helluva game. Congrats to your squad.


Helluva game if you only tuned in for the last 5 minutes. For most of the day that shit was ugly. On both teams. The AJ call was utter horseshit and that whole rule is ruining college football. It turned out to kill us but we only have ourselves to blame because our kickoff and punt return teams are an embarassment.

The fact is, we are an average team this year with some great talent and probably won't be favored in any game the rest of the year save Vandy, UK, and Tenn Tech.

Bloor, I agree about the players. The D simply didn't make the plays in the final minute but Bobo called a HORRIBLE game. How many times were we in a 3rd and 8 or 3rd and 11 situation? 8? 9 times?

Richt needs to make some serious changes at staff or I will start to question where his head is at. The great coaches see the problem and fix it. You can't tell me that there isn't another Van Gorder somewhere in America that would LOVE to come to UGA (enter Bobo equivalent here as well). This teams is just fatally inconsistent at so many areas to not have the spotlight shined brightly on the coaching staff.

Top 5 most gut wrenching losses I've witnessed in Sanford stadium.

At least the LSU folks I talked to at the bars after the game were pretty cool and they certainly were humble about getting out of there with the win.


At what point does the UGA fanbase start to turn on Richt?

I think he's a good coach, but he's failed to really capitalize on opportunities (AKA the Zook years). And the program seems like it's not getting better anymore.

Of course, it's been said about LSU - "a perfect season, is LSU goes unbeaten and unscored upon and they fire the coach."


It's already happening, only it's kind of subtle. It's in the form of the preposition "BUT". He's built a ton of credit and benefit of the doubt by winning 2 SEC Championships (Ron Zook and Urban Meyer years), playing for 3, and playing in 3 BCS bowls this decade. You now hear things like "He's a great man, a great coach, and he's great for the program.....BUT" and then a list of issues facing the program right now.

If we go 8-4 the voices will gain volume and if we go 7-5, it will get loud.

FWIW, I don't want him to go anywhere but some changes need to be made.

His critics always cite the same things; his loyalty to a fault to coaches and players (eg-playing seniors because they waited their turn and not putting in the better player), and his seemingly lack of killer instinct and all encompassing need to win (see-Meyer and Saban's obsession with winning)

Then again, we could go 9-3 and this could be a bump on the way to another great year next year but I just don't know.


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I realize in this era of College Football, UGA can't afford for Mark Richt to win a title after 20yrs of coaching like Tom Osborne, especially with rival Florida on top right now and Alabama in the ascendancy, yet it would be absolutely foolish for the Dawgs to consider replacing a coach that has an 82-22 record. That could and most likely would cripple the UGA program worse than when Frank Solich was canned at Nebraska with a .750 win percentage.
No disrespect to Georgia, but Richt has probably brought that program to its pinnacle point. It's not like the Dawgs regularly won National Titles before his reign and three divisional titles/two conference titles this decade is pretty impressive.


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I think another loss and he will need to clean house to save himself. But the question, as always, is "Who out there is better?"

Auburn brought Chizik home and took a ton of heat. If he's not 6-0 right now, he's already on the block, and if he slips in the next 3 years it will always be "he did it with Tubb' players."

I just don't know who else you go get to replace CMR.

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I realize in this era of College Football, UGA can't afford for Mark Richt to win a title after 20yrs of coaching like Tom Osborne, especially with rival Florida on top right now and Alabama in the ascendancy, yet it would be absolutely foolish for the Dawgs to consider replacing a coach that has an 82-22 record. That could and most likely would cripple the UGA program worse than when Frank Solich was canned at Nebraska with a .750 win percentage.
No disrespect to Georgia, but Richt has probably brought that program to its pinnacle point. It's not like the Dawgs regularly won National Titles before his reign and three divisional titles/two conference titles this decade is pretty impressive.


I couldn't disagree with this more. Georgia's talent pool and nexus to other talent pools is as good as you can get save Tx, Ca, Fl, La. UGA's alumni base is also as good as it can get. It can have whatever facilities it needs. It's in the SEC. It's not hard to recruit to one of the best college campuses in Athens either. And Ga Tech is not much of rival for in-state talent. Traditionally, UGA has been a preeminent program. The only thing holding it back is a string of arguably underachieving coaches.

Moreover, the difference between Solich and Richt is light years. Richt has had plenty of time whereas Solich barely got a cup of coffee before he was shown the door. Also, Nebraska grossly overestimated it's place in a post-osborne, post-prop 48 football world.

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I think another loss and he will need to clean house to save himself. But the question, as always, is "Who out there is better?"

Auburn brought Chizik home and took a ton of heat. If he's not 6-0 right now, he's already on the block, and if he slips in the next 3 years it will always be "he did it with Tubb' players."

I just don't know who else you go get to replace CMR.


A decade ago, a Florida fan could have said,"who's better than SOS?" And while they didn't show him the door, they've seem to have found somebody who is arguably better.

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I realize in this era of College Football, UGA can't afford for Mark Richt to win a title after 20yrs of coaching like Tom Osborne, especially with rival Florida on top right now and Alabama in the ascendancy, yet it would be absolutely foolish for the Dawgs to consider replacing a coach that has an 82-22 record. That could and most likely would cripple the UGA program worse than when Frank Solich was canned at Nebraska with a .750 win percentage.
No disrespect to Georgia, but Richt has probably brought that program to its pinnacle point. It's not like the Dawgs regularly won National Titles before his reign and three divisional titles/two conference titles this decade is pretty impressive.


I couldn't disagree with this more. Georgia's talent pool and nexus to other talent pools is as good as you can get save Tx, Ca, Fl, La. UGA's alumni base is also as good as it can get. It can have whatever facilities it needs. It's in the SEC. It's not hard to recruit to one of the best college campuses in Athens either. And Ga Tech is not much of rival for in-state talent. Traditionally, UGA has been a preeminent program. The only thing holding it back is a string of arguably underachieving coaches.

Moreover, the difference between Solich and Richt is light years. Richt has had plenty of time whereas Solich barely got a cup of coffee before he was shown the door. Also, Nebraska grossly overestimated it's place in a post-osborne, post-prop 48 football world.



Thank you sir. I was going to come in here and lose my shit but you said it best.

Also, I didn't say that people wanted to replace Richt. I am merely hinting at the fact that people are starting to lose confidence after seeing the same frustrating inconsistencies keep popping up in the last 3 years. No one in their right mind is ready to cut bait and if you are then you are just part of the lunatic fringe.

UGA has the talent pool, the facilities, the alumni base, and most importantly, the MONEY to do whatever to be an elite program.

Also, what does it take to win a Championship these days anyway?

The BCS has proven that most times it's a complete crap shoot. UGA has had two great teams this decade and both times the system decided that another equally deserving team should play for it and not us.

As Auburn has proven in the past, even going undefeated isn't a guarantee under this bullshit system.

All you can ask to be in the hunt to win your conference adn then hopefully the chips fall your way.


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I couldn't disagree with this more. Georgia's talent pool and nexus to other talent pools is as good as you can get save Tx, Ca, Fl, La. UGA's alumni base is also as good as it can get. It can have whatever facilities it needs. It's in the SEC. It's not hard to recruit to one of the best college campuses in Athens either. And Ga Tech is not much of rival for in-state talent. Traditionally, UGA has been a preeminent program. The only thing holding it back is a string of arguably underachieving coaches.

Moreover, the difference between Solich and Richt is light years. Richt has had plenty of time whereas Solich barely got a cup of coffee before he was shown the door. Also, Nebraska grossly overestimated it's place in a post-osborne, post-prop 48 football world.


Solich had six years. It was enough time for him to have at least three solid seasons with his own recruits and prove how good he was without Osborne era players. Most people here would have been fine with him being canned after the 7-7 record in 2002, but thought it was pretty ridiculous to can him the following year after he cleaned house and went 9-3.
Nebraska didn't really overestimate their place in the College Football World after Osborne. They've won a conference title, played in two BCS bowls and won three divisional titles. Their stadium and facilities rival that of Texas and all the SEC Powers. Even with the debacle that was the Callahan years, Nebraska has had the best overall record this year for a Big 12 North team.
The more stringent academic rules of the Big 12 certainly leveled the playing field against Nebraska, but recruiting wise we still take plenty of players from Texas, California, Florida and the rest of the Southern states thanks to Pelini's ties to LSU.
I think a lot of Husker fans expected Nebraska to continue to completely dominate the sport after that 60-3 run from 1993-1997, but that was completely unreasonable. Now most folks expect a return to 9 win seasons, Big 12 North titles and the occasional BCS bid.


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If they fire/buyout both Bowden and Jimbo Fischer, Mark Richt seems like the likely candidate for the position.


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I realize in this era of College Football, UGA can't afford for Mark Richt to win a title after 20yrs of coaching like Tom Osborne, especially with rival Florida on top right now and Alabama in the ascendancy, yet it would be absolutely foolish for the Dawgs to consider replacing a coach that has an 82-22 record. That could and most likely would cripple the UGA program worse than when Frank Solich was canned at Nebraska with a .750 win percentage.
No disrespect to Georgia, but Richt has probably brought that program to its pinnacle point. It's not like the Dawgs regularly won National Titles before his reign and three divisional titles/two conference titles this decade is pretty impressive.


I couldn't disagree with this more. Georgia's talent pool and nexus to other talent pools is as good as you can get save Tx, Ca, Fl, La. UGA's alumni base is also as good as it can get. It can have whatever facilities it needs. It's in the SEC. It's not hard to recruit to one of the best college campuses in Athens either. And Ga Tech is not much of rival for in-state talent. Traditionally, UGA has been a preeminent program. The only thing holding it back is a string of arguably underachieving coaches.

Moreover, the difference between Solich and Richt is light years. Richt has had plenty of time whereas Solich barely got a cup of coffee before he was shown the door. Also, Nebraska grossly overestimated it's place in a post-osborne, post-prop 48 football world.



Thank you sir. I was going to come in here and lose my shit but you said it best.

Also, I didn't say that people wanted to replace Richt. I am merely hinting at the fact that people are starting to lose confidence after seeing the same frustrating inconsistencies keep popping up in the last 3 years. No one in their right mind is ready to cut bait and if you are then you are just part of the lunatic fringe.

UGA has the talent pool, the facilities, the alumni base, and most importantly, the MONEY to do whatever to be an elite program.

Also, what does it take to win a Championship these days anyway?

The BCS has proven that most times it's a complete crap shoot. UGA has had two great teams this decade and both times the system decided that another equally deserving team should play for it and not us.

As Auburn has proven in the past, even going undefeated isn't a guarantee under this bullshit system.

All you can ask to be in the hunt to win your conference and then hopefully the chips fall your way.


This whole conversation is just bolstering what I've been saying for the last 4 - 5 years. Richt is a good man and good for these kids, but he doesn't have the kill or be killed fire that wins NATIONAL championships.

I texted Bloor on Saturday after watching yet ANOTHER segment on Herschel Walker/80s Dawgs lore on CBS. Text was something to the effect of "I'm tired of the 80s lore. When are people going to wake up and realize no national championship in over 25 years paired with the talent we have on a year to year basis just isn't good enough."

Richt MUST get rid of Martinez. No question. Bobo, like our teams under Richt is simply inconsistent and much too conservative. He should be a high school football coach, not the O-Coordinator at one of the best college football programs in the country. When does UGA go out and get a nationally experienced coach. How about Will Muschamp? He's got fire and he's young and a UGA alumni. How about D-Coordinator/Asst Head Coach position?

All of that being said, Saturday was pitiful playing by Joe Cox and a few of the receivers (save AJ Green). Another coaching gut check is the penalties we keep suffering in must-win situations. Just plain pathetic that those occur. It's lack of focus and a lack of competitive fire that creates mental errors and that trickles down from the top.


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Will Muschamp is the successor in waiting at Texas. His current salary is $900,000 a year, and I believe there is a steep penalty for him if he leaves for another position.

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Will Muschamp is the successor in waiting at Texas. His current salary is $900,000 a year, and I believe there is a steep penalty for him if he leaves for another position.


UGA boosters have a lot of money and I'm an idealist, so fuck off.


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This game stressed me out so fucking much. My wife was sleeping off and on, as was the baby, and I was watching and trying not to yell.

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Will Muschamp is the successor in waiting at Texas. His current salary is $900,000 a year, and I believe there is a steep penalty for him if he leaves for another position.


UGA boosters have a lot of money and I'm an idealist, so fuck off.


It's fine to be an idealist, I was just throwing it out there. If Auburn made a play for him last year, there's nothing stopping the Dawgs from doing the same.


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You people and your unreasonable expectations.

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Elvis Fu Wrote:
You people and your unreasonable expectations.


Dude, you like who? Louisiana Tech and Maryland? Both are fail programs.


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